RBTH: One of the key issues that has arisen in connection with the events in Ukraine is NATO expansion into the East. Do you get the feeling that your Western partners lied to you when they were developing their future plans in Eastern Europe? Why didn’t you insist that the promises made to you – particularly U.S. Secretary of State James Baker’s promise that NATO would not expand into the East – be legally encoded? I will quote Baker: “NATO will not move one inch further east.”
M.G.: The topic of “NATO expansion” was not discussed at all, and it wasn’t brought up in those years. I say this with full responsibility. Not a singe Eastern European country raised the issue, not even after the Warsaw Pact ceased to exist in 1991. Western leaders didn’t bring it up, either. Another issue we brought up was discussed: making sure that NATO’s military structures would not advance and that additional armed forces from the alliance would not be deployed on the territory of the then-GDR after German reunification. Baker’s statement, mentioned in your question, was made in that context. Kohl and [German Vice Chancellor Hans-Dietrich] Genscher talked about it.
#1 Parece que no se quiere entender en Rusia que occidente hará lo que considere necesario para garantizar su seguridad, no lo que nos digan ellosy no lo que a ellos, los rusos les parezca bien, bueno, correcto o adecuado y que actuar así es lo lógico, lo esperable y lo razonable en un conjunto de Estados soberanos. Venga, a seguir dando la matraca conque la abuela fuma...
#1 Parece que algunos no quieren entender que Ucrania hará lo que considere necesario para garantizar su seguridad y no lo que le diga el fascista y criminal de Putin.
#9 pero de ahí la diferencia entre homicidio y asesinato, la intencionalidad.
Le han caído 24 años, casi lo máximo para un asesinato (sin ir a revisable), no creo que condenan por homicidio
#2 Si es un modelo que permite operar y funciona bien, cumple su objetivo. No es describir la realidad última sino que nos describa una realidad lo suficientemente buena que nos permita modelarla y operar con ella de la manera mas ajustada posible a la practica (vs ejercicio teorico)
#21 Pues ahí está el problema: la democracia no es solo votar. Si controlas la prensa, la judicatura, la policía, el legislativo, cuando la gente va a votar no encuentra muchas alternativas.
La democracia es bastante más, es una separación de poderes, es tener una prensa libre y no manipuladora, es tener unos jueces y una policía sin corrupción, es tener unas leyes sin recovecos ni trampas para que los poderosos pagen impuestos y la iglesia no se apropie de propiedades, es que las ilp tengan valor, es poder elegir al jefe del estado y que no sea inviolable.....
RBTH: One of the key issues that has arisen in connection with the events in Ukraine is NATO expansion into the East. Do you get the feeling that your Western partners lied to you when they were developing their future plans in Eastern Europe? Why didn’t you insist that the promises made to you – particularly U.S. Secretary of State James Baker’s promise that NATO would not expand into the East – be legally encoded? I will quote Baker: “NATO will not move one inch further east.”
M.G.: The topic of “NATO expansion” was not discussed at all, and it wasn’t brought up in those years. I say this with full responsibility. Not a singe Eastern European country raised the issue, not even after the Warsaw Pact ceased to exist in 1991. Western leaders didn’t bring it up, either. Another issue we brought up was discussed: making sure that NATO’s military structures would not advance and that additional armed forces from the alliance would not be deployed on the territory of the then-GDR after German reunification. Baker’s statement, mentioned in your question, was made in that context. Kohl and [German Vice Chancellor Hans-Dietrich] Genscher talked about it.
También dijo lo mismo en TV, cortesía de la ZDF.