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#26:
#15 Veo que no te has leído el articulo ni te has molestado en entender lo que he dicho.
El Gobierno de EEUU ha estado financiando a la oposición venezolana durante al menos 12 años, incluyendo, como el propio Departamento de Estado estadounidense ha reconocido, algunas de las personas y organizaciones involucradas en el golpe militar del 2002.
Que por otra parte que niegues la realidad no hace que cambie. Lo cual es mas divertido porque veo que te molesta.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0CukqrU3dM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Q8m0AXGCYE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uE2J1y2uROQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdnH5xq6N3M
El Gobierno de EEUU ha estado financiando a la oposición venezolana durante al menos 12 años, incluyendo, como el propio Departamento de Estado estadounidense ha reconocido, algunas de las personas y organizaciones involucradas en el golpe militar del 2002.
Que por otra parte que niegues la realidad no hace que cambie. Lo cual es mas divertido porque veo que te molesta.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0CukqrU3dM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Q8m0AXGCYE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uE2J1y2uROQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdnH5xq6N3M
#27:
#25 Me encanta como vas variando tu argumento según te van dejando en pelotas a ti. Primero que el medio no es fiable, luego que es mentira y los cables no existen, luego que si existen pero no se pueden ver, ahora que si se pueden ver pero no son relevantes... ¿algo más? Por lo que veo el que no se lo ha leído eres tú. Te lo pondré fácil:
February 2, 2006: “On January 27, poloff [the U.S. Embassy Political Officer] met with Primero Justicia (PJ) Secretary General Gerardo Blyde to discuss rumors that an ongoing power struggle among PJ leaders--Blyde and Chacao Mayor Leopoldo Lopez against party president and presidential candidate Julio Borges and Baruta Mayor Henrique Caprilles--may lead to a split in the party (refs a and b).”
December 8, 2006: The cable reports on “winners” and “losers” from the 2006 presidential election. One of the “winners” is López. “Thirty-five year-old Leopoldo Lopez, the Primero Justicia Mayor of the Chacao Burrough of Caracas, distinguished himself on the Rosales campaign. He played a big role in organizing Rosales' three successful mass rallies in Caracas, including the enormous November 25 rally on the Francisco Fajardo highway. Rosales won 76 percent of the vote in Chacao and won big in adjoining upper middle class neighborhoods.” Chacao has been the center of the current protests.
June 8, 2007: During a period of large student demonstrations, the cables states, “Political parties, however, are eager to try to co-opt the [student] movement. The young, dynamic opposition mayor of Chacao Municipality in Caracas, Leopoldo Lopez, addressed students during early demonstrations in his jurisdiction, and he is actively advising them behind-the-scenes (Ref A).
December 6, 2007: From the cable: “Despite Chavez' continued opposition-bashing, Arreaza [Chief of Staff to former Vice President Jose Vicente Rangel] said the Venezuelan president has asked former VP Rangel to reach out to the opposition. Arreaza said Rangel this week met with Primero Justicia leader Julio Borges, and Un Nuevo Tiempo leaders, including Chacao Mayor Leopoldo Lopez. The government sees Lopez as the best channel to the student movement, added Arreaza.”
March 28, 2008: The cable reports on a meeting between U.S. Senator Ron Wyden (D – OR) and López, noting that “The Senator and his staff discussed possible media strategies with Lopez and methods for getting his positive message to audiences in the U.S.”
April 11, 2008: The U.S. embassy met with a legal advisor to López, who outlined his legal strategy in fighting his ban from political office. She noted that she “believes making Lopez a victim of the BRV's machinations is making him a more popular candidate.”
July 17, 2008: The U.S. agrees with the analysis of the legal advisor, writing, “Interestingly, the disqualifications appear to be turning Leopoldo Lopez into a national opposition figure, rather than just a rising star in Caracas.”
July 18, 2008: “There is widespread concern within the opposition that a growing rivalry between Zulia Governor Manuel Rosales and Chacao Mayor Leopoldo Lopez is futher [sic] undermining opposition unity.”
July 31, 2008: “Increased international interest this week on the ineligibles' cause suggests that Lopez and other opposition leaders have had some success is rallying support on the international scene, maybe even more so than at home.”
March 28, 2009: “UNT activists report that there was increasing friction between Maracaibo mayor Manuel Rosales and former Chacao mayor Leopoldo Lopez over leadership of the party. She complained that the older politicians in control of UNT -- namely Rosales -- are only interested in claiming power for themselves, rather than grooming rising stars in the party who may generate broader public appeal.”
June 10, 2009: “Un Nuevo Tiempo (UNT) activist Yenny De Freitas told Poloffs June 8 that the party continues to suffer from a major schism between its self-exiled leader, Manuel Rosales, and Leopoldo Lopez. She said that Lopez, who is currently in charge of UNT's outreach, is scheming to create his own opposition "movement" outside of the current party system -- likely taking advantage of the networks he has developed in his current role and his personal popularity within Caracas.” The cable added, “The absence of the more popular younger generation of opposition leaders almost certainly will feed speculation that all is not well within the parties, and that disgruntled figures like Leopoldo Lopez may be preparing to launch their own self-serving "movement" at the expense of whatever cohesion the current opposition parties are able to achieve.”
September 2, 2009: “Lopez announced September 1, however, that he had in fact been ejected from UNT due to "differences" with party officials over how to proceed in advance of National Assembly (AN) and municipal council elections expected in 2010. Conversations with party rank and file indicate that Lopez, who headed UNT's grassroots "popular networks" outreach initiative, may attract a broad following to his "movement of movements" -- likely creating yet another obstacle to the opposition's limping attempts to achieve electoral unity. Lopez seems to be saying that he has a better idea of what it will take to beat Chavez and is willing to break with his party to get his way.”
September 2, 2009: “Lopez's much-publicized rebelliousness is likely to complicate the opposition's efforts to create a unity slate of candidates for elections in 2010. Lopez seems to believe he knows better how to beat Chavez and will not hesitate to break with his opposition colleagues to get his way.”
October 15, 2009: “[Pollster Luis Vicente] Leon emphasized that the opposition lacks a unifying leader who can transmit its message to the Venezuelan people. He assessed that Leopoldo Lopez was probably hoping to catapult himself into that type of leadership role with his "popular networks" ("redes populares") initiative.”
November 3, 2009: “Former Mayor of Chacao Leopoldo Lopez, who split with UNT over his support for a "unity ticket," told [the Political Counselor, “Polcouns”] October 16 that the parties are too comfortable with the status quo to take risks. He also rejected the idea that there were "major parties," arguing that within the opposition, "all the parties are small parties.”
“Former Chacao Mayor Leopoldo Lopez has become a divisive figure within the opposition, particularly since his very public split with UNT in September. He is often described as arrogant, vindictive, and power-hungry -- but party officials also concede his enduring popularity, charisma, and talent as an organizer. PJ's Ponte said she had worked for Lopez when he was mayor and was impressed by his ability to organize his staff and effectively implement programs. Nevertheless, she said he summarily fired her when her husband opposed Lopez during an internal party conflict while he was still a member of PJ. (Note: Lopez co-founded PJ but left the party to join UNT in 2007. End Note.)”
November 3, 2009: “While the parties need Lopez's following to expand their narrow electoral base, they appear frustrated with his uncompromising approach and do not trust his motives. Ponte said that for the opposition parties, Lopez draws ire second only to Chavez, joking that "the only difference between the two is that Lopez is a lot better looking." PJ's Caldera minimized Lopez's "social networks" as "political proselytizing" and his projects as no different than those often carried out by opposition parties trying to build public support.”
December 22, 2009: “During a party event December 6, Primero Justicia (PJ) Secretary-General Tomas Guanipa called on Lopez to respect the unity table and its agreements and consensus. Guanipa urged Lopez to "not continue dividing us, we should not go through life like crashing cars, fighting with the whole world. It is not good for the country that you are hoping for something different than us."”
February 2, 2006: “On January 27, poloff [the U.S. Embassy Political Officer] met with Primero Justicia (PJ) Secretary General Gerardo Blyde to discuss rumors that an ongoing power struggle among PJ leaders--Blyde and Chacao Mayor Leopoldo Lopez against party president and presidential candidate Julio Borges and Baruta Mayor Henrique Caprilles--may lead to a split in the party (refs a and b).”
December 8, 2006: The cable reports on “winners” and “losers” from the 2006 presidential election. One of the “winners” is López. “Thirty-five year-old Leopoldo Lopez, the Primero Justicia Mayor of the Chacao Burrough of Caracas, distinguished himself on the Rosales campaign. He played a big role in organizing Rosales' three successful mass rallies in Caracas, including the enormous November 25 rally on the Francisco Fajardo highway. Rosales won 76 percent of the vote in Chacao and won big in adjoining upper middle class neighborhoods.” Chacao has been the center of the current protests.
June 8, 2007: During a period of large student demonstrations, the cables states, “Political parties, however, are eager to try to co-opt the [student] movement. The young, dynamic opposition mayor of Chacao Municipality in Caracas, Leopoldo Lopez, addressed students during early demonstrations in his jurisdiction, and he is actively advising them behind-the-scenes (Ref A).
December 6, 2007: From the cable: “Despite Chavez' continued opposition-bashing, Arreaza [Chief of Staff to former Vice President Jose Vicente Rangel] said the Venezuelan president has asked former VP Rangel to reach out to the opposition. Arreaza said Rangel this week met with Primero Justicia leader Julio Borges, and Un Nuevo Tiempo leaders, including Chacao Mayor Leopoldo Lopez. The government sees Lopez as the best channel to the student movement, added Arreaza.”
March 28, 2008: The cable reports on a meeting between U.S. Senator Ron Wyden (D – OR) and López, noting that “The Senator and his staff discussed possible media strategies with Lopez and methods for getting his positive message to audiences in the U.S.”
April 11, 2008: The U.S. embassy met with a legal advisor to López, who outlined his legal strategy in fighting his ban from political office. She noted that she “believes making Lopez a victim of the BRV's machinations is making him a more popular candidate.”
July 17, 2008: The U.S. agrees with the analysis of the legal advisor, writing, “Interestingly, the disqualifications appear to be turning Leopoldo Lopez into a national opposition figure, rather than just a rising star in Caracas.”
July 18, 2008: “There is widespread concern within the opposition that a growing rivalry between Zulia Governor Manuel Rosales and Chacao Mayor Leopoldo Lopez is futher [sic] undermining opposition unity.”
July 31, 2008: “Increased international interest this week on the ineligibles' cause suggests that Lopez and other opposition leaders have had some success is rallying support on the international scene, maybe even more so than at home.”
March 28, 2009: “UNT activists report that there was increasing friction between Maracaibo mayor Manuel Rosales and former Chacao mayor Leopoldo Lopez over leadership of the party. She complained that the older politicians in control of UNT -- namely Rosales -- are only interested in claiming power for themselves, rather than grooming rising stars in the party who may generate broader public appeal.”
June 10, 2009: “Un Nuevo Tiempo (UNT) activist Yenny De Freitas told Poloffs June 8 that the party continues to suffer from a major schism between its self-exiled leader, Manuel Rosales, and Leopoldo Lopez. She said that Lopez, who is currently in charge of UNT's outreach, is scheming to create his own opposition "movement" outside of the current party system -- likely taking advantage of the networks he has developed in his current role and his personal popularity within Caracas.” The cable added, “The absence of the more popular younger generation of opposition leaders almost certainly will feed speculation that all is not well within the parties, and that disgruntled figures like Leopoldo Lopez may be preparing to launch their own self-serving "movement" at the expense of whatever cohesion the current opposition parties are able to achieve.”
September 2, 2009: “Lopez announced September 1, however, that he had in fact been ejected from UNT due to "differences" with party officials over how to proceed in advance of National Assembly (AN) and municipal council elections expected in 2010. Conversations with party rank and file indicate that Lopez, who headed UNT's grassroots "popular networks" outreach initiative, may attract a broad following to his "movement of movements" -- likely creating yet another obstacle to the opposition's limping attempts to achieve electoral unity. Lopez seems to be saying that he has a better idea of what it will take to beat Chavez and is willing to break with his party to get his way.”
September 2, 2009: “Lopez's much-publicized rebelliousness is likely to complicate the opposition's efforts to create a unity slate of candidates for elections in 2010. Lopez seems to believe he knows better how to beat Chavez and will not hesitate to break with his opposition colleagues to get his way.”
October 15, 2009: “[Pollster Luis Vicente] Leon emphasized that the opposition lacks a unifying leader who can transmit its message to the Venezuelan people. He assessed that Leopoldo Lopez was probably hoping to catapult himself into that type of leadership role with his "popular networks" ("redes populares") initiative.”
November 3, 2009: “Former Mayor of Chacao Leopoldo Lopez, who split with UNT over his support for a "unity ticket," told [the Political Counselor, “Polcouns”] October 16 that the parties are too comfortable with the status quo to take risks. He also rejected the idea that there were "major parties," arguing that within the opposition, "all the parties are small parties.”
“Former Chacao Mayor Leopoldo Lopez has become a divisive figure within the opposition, particularly since his very public split with UNT in September. He is often described as arrogant, vindictive, and power-hungry -- but party officials also concede his enduring popularity, charisma, and talent as an organizer. PJ's Ponte said she had worked for Lopez when he was mayor and was impressed by his ability to organize his staff and effectively implement programs. Nevertheless, she said he summarily fired her when her husband opposed Lopez during an internal party conflict while he was still a member of PJ. (Note: Lopez co-founded PJ but left the party to join UNT in 2007. End Note.)”
November 3, 2009: “While the parties need Lopez's following to expand their narrow electoral base, they appear frustrated with his uncompromising approach and do not trust his motives. Ponte said that for the opposition parties, Lopez draws ire second only to Chavez, joking that "the only difference between the two is that Lopez is a lot better looking." PJ's Caldera minimized Lopez's "social networks" as "political proselytizing" and his projects as no different than those often carried out by opposition parties trying to build public support.”
December 22, 2009: “During a party event December 6, Primero Justicia (PJ) Secretary-General Tomas Guanipa called on Lopez to respect the unity table and its agreements and consensus. Guanipa urged Lopez to "not continue dividing us, we should not go through life like crashing cars, fighting with the whole world. It is not good for the country that you are hoping for something different than us."”
#22:
#15 Leopoldo López participó en las movilizaciones de calle de la oposición venezolana que dieron lugar al posterior golpe de Estado de abril de 2002 y participó como autoridad en el arresto del ministro de Interior y Justicia, Ramón Rodríguez Chacín; la causa que se seguía a López por este último hecho fue sobreseída el 31 de diciembre del 2007 debido a la amnistía otorgada por el presidente Hugo Chávez.
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#16:
#8 Ojo, que he comprobado que los cables si existen, pero la web cablesearch, al igual que Wikileaks ha dejado de funcionar. La noticia es cierta y los cables de 2014. Aquí está incluso en la web de la BBC, un medio más acorde a tus ideologías occidentales: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-26238612
Aquí están las menciones de todos los cables: http://www.cepr.net/blogs/the-americas-blog/what-the-wikileaks-cables-say-about-leopoldo-lopez
Aquí están las menciones de todos los cables: http://www.cepr.net/blogs/the-americas-blog/what-the-wikileaks-cables-say-about-leopoldo-lopez
#3:
EEUU financiando a la oposición de un gobierno que no le resulta cómodo y participando en un golpe militar a escondidas. ¡Nadie se lo habría imaginado!
#34:
#33 Para apoyar un golpe de estado no necesitas enviar tropas a ningún sitio.
The U.S. government has been funding the Venezuelan opposition for at least 12 years, including, as the State Department has acknowledged, some of the people and organizations involved in the 2002 military coup.
http://www.cepr.net/blogs/the-americas-blog/what-the-wikileaks-cables-say-about-leopoldo-lopez
The U.S. government has been funding the Venezuelan opposition for at least 12 years, including, as the State Department has acknowledged, some of the people and organizations involved in the 2002 military coup.
http://www.cepr.net/blogs/the-americas-blog/what-the-wikileaks-cables-say-about-leopoldo-lopez
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EEUU financiando a la oposición de un gobierno que no le resulta cómodo y participando en un golpe militar a escondidas. ¡Nadie se lo habría imaginado!
#3 Y España lo secunda publicamente no?
#3 ¿Qué golpe militar? Leopoldo López no ha dado ningún tipo de golpe militar y, hasta donde yo se, no existe prueba alguna de que lo haya intentado.
#15 Leopoldo López participó en las movilizaciones de calle de la oposición venezolana que dieron lugar al posterior golpe de Estado de abril de 2002 y participó como autoridad en el arresto del ministro de Interior y Justicia, Ramón Rodríguez Chacín; la causa que se seguía a López por este último hecho fue sobreseída el 31 de diciembre del 2007 debido a la amnistía otorgada por el presidente Hugo Chávez.
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#15 Veo que no te has leído el articulo ni te has molestado en entender lo que he dicho.
El Gobierno de EEUU ha estado financiando a la oposición venezolana durante al menos 12 años, incluyendo, como el propio Departamento de Estado estadounidense ha reconocido, algunas de las personas y organizaciones involucradas en el golpe militar del 2002.
Que por otra parte que niegues la realidad no hace que cambie. Lo cual es mas divertido porque veo que te molesta.
#3 "La Guerra contra la Democracia"
#3 No puede ser si el espeto militar no para de decir que todo es mentira
Spoiler abajo le dejan en ridículo.
#25 Me encanta como vas variando tu argumento según te van dejando en pelotas a ti. Primero que el medio no es fiable, luego que es mentira y los cables no existen, luego que si existen pero no se pueden ver, ahora que si se pueden ver pero no son relevantes... ¿algo más? Por lo que veo el que no se lo ha leído eres tú. Te lo pondré fácil:
February 2, 2006: “On January 27, poloff [the U.S. Embassy Political Officer] met with Primero Justicia (PJ) Secretary General Gerardo Blyde to discuss rumors that an ongoing power struggle among PJ leaders--Blyde and Chacao Mayor Leopoldo Lopez against party president and presidential candidate Julio Borges and Baruta Mayor Henrique Caprilles--may lead to a split in the party (refs a and b).”
December 8, 2006: The cable reports on “winners” and “losers” from the 2006 presidential election. One of the “winners” is López. “Thirty-five year-old Leopoldo Lopez, the Primero Justicia Mayor of the Chacao Burrough of Caracas, distinguished himself on the Rosales campaign. He played a big role in organizing Rosales' three successful mass rallies in Caracas, including the enormous November 25 rally on the Francisco Fajardo highway. Rosales won 76 percent of the vote in Chacao and won big in adjoining upper middle class neighborhoods.” Chacao has been the center of the current protests.
June 8, 2007: During a period of large student demonstrations, the cables states, “Political parties, however, are eager to try to co-opt the [student] movement. The young, dynamic opposition mayor of Chacao Municipality in Caracas, Leopoldo Lopez, addressed students during early demonstrations in his jurisdiction, and he is actively advising them behind-the-scenes (Ref A).
December 6, 2007: From the cable: “Despite Chavez' continued opposition-bashing, Arreaza [Chief of Staff to former Vice President Jose Vicente Rangel] said the Venezuelan president has asked former VP Rangel to reach out to the opposition. Arreaza said Rangel this week met with Primero Justicia leader Julio Borges, and Un Nuevo Tiempo leaders, including Chacao Mayor Leopoldo Lopez. The government sees Lopez as the best channel to the student movement, added Arreaza.”
March 28, 2008: The cable reports on a meeting between U.S. Senator Ron Wyden (D – OR) and López, noting that “The Senator and his staff discussed possible media strategies with Lopez and methods for getting his positive message to audiences in the U.S.”
April 11, 2008: The U.S. embassy met with a legal advisor to López, who outlined his legal strategy in fighting his ban from political office. She noted that she “believes making Lopez a victim of the BRV's machinations is making him a more popular candidate.”
July 17, 2008: The U.S. agrees with the analysis of the legal advisor, writing, “Interestingly, the disqualifications appear to be turning Leopoldo Lopez into a national opposition figure, rather than just a rising star in Caracas.”
July 18, 2008: “There is widespread concern within the opposition that a growing rivalry between Zulia Governor Manuel Rosales and Chacao Mayor Leopoldo Lopez is futher [sic] undermining opposition unity.”
July 31, 2008: “Increased international interest this week on the ineligibles' cause suggests that Lopez and other opposition leaders have had some success is rallying support on the international scene, maybe even more so than at home.”
March 28, 2009: “UNT activists report that there was increasing friction between Maracaibo mayor Manuel Rosales and former Chacao mayor Leopoldo Lopez over leadership of the party. She complained that the older politicians in control of UNT -- namely Rosales -- are only interested in claiming power for themselves, rather than grooming rising stars in the party who may generate broader public appeal.”
June 10, 2009: “Un Nuevo Tiempo (UNT) activist Yenny De Freitas told Poloffs June 8 that the party continues to suffer from a major schism between its self-exiled leader, Manuel Rosales, and Leopoldo Lopez. She said that Lopez, who is currently in charge of UNT's outreach, is scheming to create his own opposition "movement" outside of the current party system -- likely taking advantage of the networks he has developed in his current role and his personal popularity within Caracas.” The cable added, “The absence of the more popular younger generation of opposition leaders almost certainly will feed speculation that all is not well within the parties, and that disgruntled figures like Leopoldo Lopez may be preparing to launch their own self-serving "movement" at the expense of whatever cohesion the current opposition parties are able to achieve.”
September 2, 2009: “Lopez announced September 1, however, that he had in fact been ejected from UNT due to "differences" with party officials over how to proceed in advance of National Assembly (AN) and municipal council elections expected in 2010. Conversations with party rank and file indicate that Lopez, who headed UNT's grassroots "popular networks" outreach initiative, may attract a broad following to his "movement of movements" -- likely creating yet another obstacle to the opposition's limping attempts to achieve electoral unity. Lopez seems to be saying that he has a better idea of what it will take to beat Chavez and is willing to break with his party to get his way.”
September 2, 2009: “Lopez's much-publicized rebelliousness is likely to complicate the opposition's efforts to create a unity slate of candidates for elections in 2010. Lopez seems to believe he knows better how to beat Chavez and will not hesitate to break with his opposition colleagues to get his way.”
October 15, 2009: “[Pollster Luis Vicente] Leon emphasized that the opposition lacks a unifying leader who can transmit its message to the Venezuelan people. He assessed that Leopoldo Lopez was probably hoping to catapult himself into that type of leadership role with his "popular networks" ("redes populares") initiative.”
November 3, 2009: “Former Mayor of Chacao Leopoldo Lopez, who split with UNT over his support for a "unity ticket," told [the Political Counselor, “Polcouns”] October 16 that the parties are too comfortable with the status quo to take risks. He also rejected the idea that there were "major parties," arguing that within the opposition, "all the parties are small parties.”
“Former Chacao Mayor Leopoldo Lopez has become a divisive figure within the opposition, particularly since his very public split with UNT in September. He is often described as arrogant, vindictive, and power-hungry -- but party officials also concede his enduring popularity, charisma, and talent as an organizer. PJ's Ponte said she had worked for Lopez when he was mayor and was impressed by his ability to organize his staff and effectively implement programs. Nevertheless, she said he summarily fired her when her husband opposed Lopez during an internal party conflict while he was still a member of PJ. (Note: Lopez co-founded PJ but left the party to join UNT in 2007. End Note.)”
November 3, 2009: “While the parties need Lopez's following to expand their narrow electoral base, they appear frustrated with his uncompromising approach and do not trust his motives. Ponte said that for the opposition parties, Lopez draws ire second only to Chavez, joking that "the only difference between the two is that Lopez is a lot better looking." PJ's Caldera minimized Lopez's "social networks" as "political proselytizing" and his projects as no different than those often carried out by opposition parties trying to build public support.”
December 22, 2009: “During a party event December 6, Primero Justicia (PJ) Secretary-General Tomas Guanipa called on Lopez to respect the unity table and its agreements and consensus. Guanipa urged Lopez to "not continue dividing us, we should not go through life like crashing cars, fighting with the whole world. It is not good for the country that you are hoping for something different than us."”
#27 Siguen siendo informes sobre la situación política del país...
¿y?
¿eso deja a López en pelotas?
No.
Si hay cables que hablen de Maduro ¿se queda en pelotas también?
Porque los hay... seguro.
"EH Oiga!!! Perico de los palotes sale en Wikileaks... es de la CIA!!!"
#29 Si, amigo mío, le deja en pelotas. Porque queda demostrado que Estados Unidos estaba apoyando a Leopoldo López a llevar a cabo un golpe de estado contra un gobierno democrático y extrangero elegido en las urnas. Maduro es un maldito payaso, pero es un payaso elegido democráticamente y EEUU ha intentado interferir en Venezuela como ha hizo en Vietnam, Afganistan, Irak, Pakistán, Siria, Ucrania y así un sinfín de países.
#32 ¿que cojones va a apoyar un golpe de estado sin apoyos ni tropas ni nada?
Otro bulo que os tragais sin mas...
Mira que sencillo que es... Como el tipo puede ganar las elecciones... PAM.. al trullo.
Igual que el amigo de Putin hizo en Ucrania con la oposición.
Así que no me vengas a contar historias pasadas... Que aquí nadie se libra.
#33 Para apoyar un golpe de estado no necesitas enviar tropas a ningún sitio.
The U.S. government has been funding the Venezuelan opposition for at least 12 years, including, as the State Department has acknowledged, some of the people and organizations involved in the 2002 military coup.
http://www.cepr.net/blogs/the-americas-blog/what-the-wikileaks-cables-say-about-leopoldo-lopez
#34 La conclusión de un Think Tank de izquierdas que apoya incondicionalmente a Maduro... Novedad.
¿las pruebas?
Naaaaaaaaa... es así y ya está.
#35 Te las he puesto delante de tus narices, pero como no te gustan, reniegas.
#39 ¿me pones que un agregado político cree que López es un político que pelea por controlar la oposición? ¿que creen que es un lider dentro de la oposición?
¿Y ya con eso se queda en pelotas?
He dicho pruebas... No análisis.
#32 Maduro no es un "maldito payaso", es el único presidente decente que puede tener ahora Venezuela, y representa la lucha de las clases populares de ese país para construir un país mejor y más próspero. Otra cosa es que afrente dificultades como las que enfrenta cualquier gobierno que se oponga a los intereses del Imperio.
#37 Totalmente de acuerdo contigo, pero todo eso no quita que sea un payaso, como lo era Chávez
#29 Se puede votar sensacionalista sin leer ni la entradilla. Sólo con el titular.
"en pelotas" + "golpista" = sensacionalista
Opinión disfrazada de información.
No entro en la noticia por si hay foto.
#12 Hombre, la verdad de la represión en la América Latina promocionada desde los EEUU no hace falta que lo diga ningún comandante su historia esta escrita con sangre, con la sangre de los pobres, represaliados a la altura de cualquier genocidio
#28 ¿Hablamos de guerra fría o de ahora?
Como si Chavez no fuera un golpista tampoco...
Esta noticia es antigua, del año pasado: Wikileaks deja en evidencia que EEUU promueve y financia el fascismo en Venezuela
Wikileaks deja en evidencia que EEUU promueve y fi...
avn.info.veSupongo que los camarados la desenpolvan para justificar los 13 años de cárcel que le metieron a López, bajo la acusación de "mensajes subliminales" y con una juez comprada por Maduro.
#40 Es igual... Sale López en un cable de wikileaks y sacan el champagne para celebrar que hay relación probada e inequívoca con EEUU...
#43 Y aún si así fuera, no tiene nada malo intentar derrocar un gobierno que asesina opositores, censura medios de comunicación y tiene a la gente haciendo colas de 8 horas por un paquete de harina. A Maduro hay que tumbarlo, es simple. Con votos no va a salir gracias a la extensa maquinaria clientelar montada por el oficialismo durante los últimos 15 años...
#45 Yo discrepo Yit... Echar a un memo como Maduro con violencia genera odio y resentimiento y a la larga mas violencia.
La clave es informar a los ciudadanos y hacerles ver la realidad... Los pañales reutilizables, la falta de medicinas, los problemas para viajar... todos los abusos de los bolivarianos acabarán saliendo a la luz.
Ten fe. Cada vez mas gente se da cuenta de lo que pasa allí por mucho que se intente tapar.
#48 Claro, la violencia nunca es deseable. Pero violencia a todos los niveles es lo que ha venido aplicando Maduro y compañía. Para mi ese gobierno no tiene ninguna legitimidad, se sostiene únicamente gracias a voluntades compradas.
#50 Lo se, pero es obvio que no se va a mantener el sistema mucho mas... Se viene abajo por momentos.
Un golpe de estupidez más y adios.
#40 13 años de cárcel que le metieron a López. Las sentencias judiciales es lo que tienen, si no te gustan siempre puedes decir que es por política, mira en este país se utiliza mucho, fíjate en todos los condenados por corruptos
#44 Sí, una sentencia judicial basada en presuntos mensajes subliminales emitidos por López.
Es que más payasos imposible!
#0 Estaría bien preguntarle a Eduardo Inda si condena que un país como EEUU financie la oposición de otro país..
#12 Eso de llegar a un sitio e intentar tener la verdad simplemente insultando a los que no piensan igual, sin demostrar absolutamente nada... ¿te ha funcionado alguna vez? A lo mejor en tu casa y ya.
Ah bueno si lo dice un tipo que se hace llamar expertomilitar será verdad.
#13 La verdad te la dijo un pajarito.. como al memo de Chavez que también fue... ¿golpista?
#17 Lo del pajarito era a Maduro no a Chávez, oyes campanas pero no sabes donde. Se ve de qué pie cojeas al vuelo.
#19 Mejor que no cojee en Venezuela... No vaya a ser que tenga que cambiar una muleta por pañales.
Desmontando al GOLPISTA Leopoldo Lopez. Sí, golpista, como queda demostrado.
http://www.telesurtv.net/opinion/Deshaciendo-a-Leopoldo-Lopez-20150807-0072.html
#0 está copiada de http://canarias-semanal.org/not/16894/wikileaks-deja-en-pelotas-al-golpista-venezolano-leopoldo-lopez/
Y a su vez original de RT.
Como siempre sin enlaces a los wikileaks ni nada. Solo extractos para que quien quiera creer asienta obediente.
#8 ¿Las mismas ganas que las tuyas de creer que los EEUU no han metido la mano ahí?
#10 Ah bueno... Si lo dijo el comandante fiambre... será verdad!!!
"meter mano".. la explicación simplista para bobos incorregibles.
#8 Vendrá del mismo sitio que esto ... http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-26238612
#11 Pues estamos buenos...
Se dieron cuenta de que era el líder opositor decisivo.. Tampoco había que ser consejero político de una embajada.
#8 Ojo, que he comprobado que los cables si existen, pero la web cablesearch, al igual que Wikileaks ha dejado de funcionar. La noticia es cierta y los cables de 2014. Aquí está incluso en la web de la BBC, un medio más acorde a tus ideologías occidentales: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-26238612
Aquí están las menciones de todos los cables: http://www.cepr.net/blogs/the-americas-blog/what-the-wikileaks-cables-say-about-leopoldo-lopez
#16 Existirán, pero no hace falta que los enlacen para que puedas verlos... Es así y punto. Se queda en pelotas porque lo dice RT.
#16 ¿y has leído lo que dicen?
Análisis de la situación política como hacen todas las embajadas; reuniones con su abogado; y poco mas.
Así funciona un agregado de política. Informa de lo que pasa en el país.
¿eso deja "en pelotas" a López? No.
#8 no te has molestado un mínimo en informarte. Lee #23. Los cables de wikileaks están ahí para quien quiera leerlos.
#36 ¿y tú que has leído? ¿que las armas el dinero y los mercenarios para el golpe estaban llegando o algo asi?
¿se queda en pelotas? NO.
Era previsible, pero me resulta raro que no enlacen esos cables de Wikileaks.
#6 Ojo, que he comprobado que los cables si existen, pero la web cablesearch, al igual que Wikileaks ha dejado de funcionar. La noticia es cierta y los cables de 2014. Aquí está incluso en la web de la BBC: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-26238612
Aquí están las menciones de todos los cables: http://www.cepr.net/blogs/the-americas-blog/what-the-wikileaks-cables-say-about-leopoldo-lopez
¿Qué handicap acredita?
#2 Golpista, no golfista
#4 Ay, gracias, cielo
Un clásico.
Pics or it didn't happen
EEUU financia oposicions colpistes!...guau...no ho sabia!
Aquesta estratègia és més vella que la humanitat.
#46 ¿Mande?
#46 Si es vieja si ... y casi siempre detras de un golpe de estado estan los EEUU como en este y la cantidad de gilkipolladas hay que leer de los que intentan justificarlo.