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Llegan unos señores e impiden actuar a un grupo que está en contra de lo según ellos políticamente correcto. Pero ¿qué piensa la gente? Quría ese concierto? Piensa como Roger Waters? Luego llegan las elecciones, salen según que partidos y los 'políticamente correctos' se echan las manos a la cabeza mientras se preguntan "que ha pasao!!" y buscan el famoso cordón sanitario.
La gente lo empieza a pasar mal económicamente mientras estos políticos se levantan un sueldo asegurado cada mes, más dietas. Y todo por apoyar unos intereses americanos.
La gente lo empieza a pasar mal económicamente mientras estos políticos se levantan un sueldo asegurado cada mes, más dietas. Y todo por apoyar unos intereses americanos.
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von der pfizer ya está preparando declaraciones en contra de la cancelación
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von der pfizer ya está preparando declaraciones en contra de la cancelación
Llegan unos señores e impiden actuar a un grupo que está en contra de lo según ellos políticamente correcto. Pero ¿qué piensa la gente? Quría ese concierto? Piensa como Roger Waters? Luego llegan las elecciones, salen según que partidos y los 'políticamente correctos' se echan las manos a la cabeza mientras se preguntan "que ha pasao!!" y buscan el famoso cordón sanitario.
La gente lo empieza a pasar mal económicamente mientras estos políticos se levantan un sueldo asegurado cada mes, más dietas. Y todo por apoyar unos intereses americanos.
Luego van de valedores de la libertad de expresión y la Democracia.
#3 Pues si, con la excusa de que cantando se pueden decir barbaridades
#3 Polonia es junto a Hungría uno de los países más conservadores y menos demócratas de la UE.
Un lastre social hasta ahora, y un espejo de lo que nos viene encima si seguimos haciendo el imbécil con la ultraderecha, como Italia.
Nos está quedando una Europa preciosa.
...Los concejales, del gubernamental partido ultraconservador Ley y Justicia (PiS), también piden en la resolución, que se votará el próximo miércoles, declarar persona non grata a todo el que apoye públicamente al Kremlin. El artista había participado en una carta abierta a la esposa del presidente ucraniano, Olena Zelenska, en la que se calificaba de trágico error el suministro de armas a Kiev. En una publicación de Facebook, Waters afirmó hoy que la iniciativa de los concejales se debe a sus esfuerzos para animar a todos los implicados en la desastrosa guerra de Ucrania, especialmente los Gobiernos de Estados Unidos y de Rusia, para buscar una paz negociada .
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En otros medios:
Suspenen el concert de Roger Waters a Polònia per ser crític amb Ucraïna
https://www.ccma.cat/324/suspenen-el-concert-de-roger-waters-a-polonia-per-la-seva-posicio-critica-amb-ucraina/noticia/3186390/
Roger Waters gigs in Poland cancelled amid Ukraine backlash
https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-63026101
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La carta abierta de Waters a la primera dama de Ucrania:
"Did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage?"
An Open letter to Mrs. Olena Zelenska from Roger Waters
Sunday 4th September 2022
Dear Mrs. Zelenska,
My heart bleeds for you and all the Ukrainian and Russian families, devastated by the terrible war in Ukraine. I’m in Kansas City, USA. I have just read a piece on BBC.com apparently taken from an interview you have already recorded for a program called ‘Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg’ which is to be broadcast on the BBC today, September 4th. BBC.com quotes you as saying that “If support for Ukraine is strong, the crisis will be shorter.” Hmmm? I guess that might depend on what you mean by “support for Ukraine”? If by “support for Ukraine” you mean the West continuing to supply arms to the Kiev government’s armies, I fear you may be tragically mistaken. Throwing fuel, in the form of armaments, into a fire fight, has never worked to shorten a war in the past, and it won’t work now, particularly because, in this case, most of the fuel is (a) being thrown into the fire from Washington DC, which is at a relatively safe distance from the conflagration, and (b) because the ‘fuel throwers’ have already declared an interest in the war going on for as long as possible. I fear that we, and by we I mean people like you and me who actually want peace in Ukraine, who don’t want the outcome to be that you have to fight to the last Ukrainian life, and possibly even, if the worst comes to the worst, to the last human life. If we, instead, wish to achieve a different outcome we may have to seek a different route and that route may lie in your husband's previously stated good intentions.
Yes, I mean the platform upon which he so laudably ran for the office of President of Ukraine, the platform upon which he won his historic landslide victory in the democratic election in 2019. He stood on the election platform of the following promises.
1. To end the civil war in the East and bring peace to the Donbas and partial autonomy to Donetsk and Luhansk.
2. And to ratify and implement the rest of the body of the Minsk 2 agreements.
One can only assume that your husband’s electoral policies didn’t sit well with certain political factions in Kiev and that those factions persuaded your husband to diametrically change course ignoring the peoples mandate. Sadly, your old man agreed to those totalitarian, anti-democratic dismissals of the will of the Ukrainian people, and the forces of extreme nationalism that had lurked, malevolent, in the shadows, have, since then, ruled the Ukraine. They have, also since then, crossed any number of red lines that had been set out quite clearly over a number of years by your neighbors the Russian Federation and in consequence they, the extreme nationalists, have set your country on the path to this disastrous war.
I won’t go on.
If I’m wrong, please help me to understand how?
If I’m not wrong, please help me in my honest endeavors to persuade our leaders to stop the slaughter, the slaughter which serves only the interests of the ruling classes and extreme nationalists both here in the West, and in your beautiful country, at the expense of the rest of us ordinary people both here in the West, and in the Ukraine, and in fact ordinary people everywhere all over the world.
Might it not be better to demand the implementation of your husband’s election promises and put an end to this deadly war?
Love
Roger Waters
https://www.facebook.com/rogerwaters/posts/611837370313235
#2 ¿Alguien ve en esa carta algún atisbo de crítica a Putin?
#7 No, no lo veo. Lo suyo hubiera sido hacer otra carta abierta para Rusia, pero creo que ese no era el objetivo de Waters. Waters critica en la primera y en la segunda carta, que pongo en #8 , el hecho -o las sospechas- de que esta guerra es debida a intereses occidentales, más concretamente de Estados Unidos. El exponer esto en una carta abierta a la primera dama ucraniana se debe a que ella pedía más armamento por parte de Occidente, y Waters apunta a que está pidiéndole gasolina a quien provocó el incendio en Ucrania.
#10 Exige nada a Putin, a pesar de tener una segunda oportunidad.
Pues normal que los polacos se cabreen, viendo que no critica al invasor. Invasor que nunca les cayó bien
Por cierto, la comparación de la crisis de Cuba es un anacronismo, por entonces la tecnología de misiles daba unas velocidades tan lentas que poner misiles en Cuba daba mucha ventaja.
60 años después esas velocidades dan risa y se puede conseguir prácticamente el mismo resultado de Ucrania poniendo misiles en Estonia, Letonia, Turquía u otros países de la OTAN.
#2 Segunda carta de Roger Waters a la primera dama de Ucrania:
TO QUOTE THE GREAT JOHN LENNON, “GIVE PEACE A CHANCE"
14th September 2022.
Roger Waters responds to Mrs. Olena Zelenska’s Олена Зеленська Tweet of 5th of September.
This is the text of Mrs. Zelenska’s tweet:
It is Russia that invaded Ukraine, destroys cities and kills civilians.
Ukrainians defend their land and their children’s future.
If we give up-----we will not exist tomorrow.
If Russia gives up-----war will be over.
Dear Mrs. Zelenska,
Please excuse my tardy reply to your Twitter response to my open letter. I am in the middle of a North American tour. I confess I never dreamed you would respond personally. I am bowled over, so thank you. I note what you say, but I’m fairly sure that ‘giving up’ just like that, is not an option that any side is considering. I feel I’m getting to know you a little, I see that you, like me, trained as an architect, so maybe we have a common interest in building things. That is good because we all need to focus on building something now, and obviously that something is peace in your country. My research leads me to believe that peace in the Ukraine is what the vast majority of the people of the Ukraine voted for when they elected your husband as President. And that majority, expected him to use his huge mandate to negotiate a settlement between the Ukraine and the Russian Federation that would meet the security needs of both nations and provide a credible alternative to this disastrous war.
I believe even after hostilities began, last April, two months into the war, such a settlement was on the table, it was in Istanbul wasn’t it? What happened?
You were so close to a ceasefire. I smell interference from Washington, I’m quite prepared to be wrong of course, but in my experience, if it smells like fish and looks fishy, it’s probably what passes for foreign policy in Washington DC. Anyway, it’s all water under the bridge now. What I am suggesting is that the only sane course is for all sides, and I say all sides, not both sides, because clearly this is a proxy war that involves the USA, so all sides need to agree to an unconditional ceasefire and the beginning of talks. I for one Olena will continue to bang the drum of peace, however unpopular that may be in these bellicose times. The mainstream media in the West seems intent on encouraging public support for escalation of the proxy war between the USA and the Russian Federation that is raging in the Ukraine, even to the point of contemplating playing nuclear chicken. Wow! How very irresponsible of the gentlemen of the press.
Back in 1962, we faced a very similarly deadly situation in the Caribbean. It was called the Cuban missile crisis. The whole human race came perilously close to extinction in a nuclear war, and we all knew it. That crisis came about because the USA, quite rightly, perceived an existential threat because the USSR was installing nuclear missiles in Cuba, only a stone’s throw from the US mainland. Today the roles are reversed, it is the USA that seeks, through NATO to install nuclear weapons in Ukraine, right on the Russian border only a stone’s throw from Moscow, and The Russian Federation perceives that as an existential threat. So Ukraine has become today’s Cuba.
That we all survived the Cuban Missile Crisis in 1962, if only just barely, can be partially explained by two things that happened. The first, and probably most important thing was that, unlike in the current crisis, in 1962 the Presidents of the USSR and the USA, Nikita Khrushchev and John Fitzpatrick Kennedy spoke to one another, repeatedly, soberly, politely and respectfully, on the telephone.
The second thing was just as crucial and is fascinating, and also, at least in the West, very little known.
It is the story of a Russian hero.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/.../Vasili_Arkhipov_young.jpg
Vasily Aleksandrovich Arkhipov (Russian: Василий Александрович Архипов, IPA, 30 January 1926 – 19 August 1998) was a Soviet Naval officer credited with preventing a Soviet nuclear launch during the Cuban Missile Crisis. Such an attack likely would have caused a major global thermonuclear response.
As flotilla chief of staff and second-in-command of the diesel powered submarine B-59, Arkhipov refused to authorize the captain and the political officer's use of nuclear torpedoes against the United States Navy, a decision which required the agreement of all three senior officers. After his death, Arkhipov has been widely recognized as someone who had 'saved the world' with his actions.
Wow! Vasily, on behalf of the whole human race, thank you for doing the right thing.
I have literally just now, this morning, received an email from MAPA (Massachusetts Peace Action) reminding me that back in 1962, the two Presidents resolved the crisis by compromising. Khrushchev agreed to remove the Russian missiles from Cuba and as a ‘quid pro quo’ Kennedy agreed to remove American missiles from Turkey! They spoke, they compromised, job done? It’s called diplomacy. What has happened to diplomacy? Why doesn’t President Biden do the right thing and speak to President Putin? Why have the powers that be in the USA steadfastly refused to address Russian concerns vis a vis the potential existential threat of a fully-fledged, nuclear armed, Ukraine joining NATO on Russia’s doorstep?
Though you and I, Mrs. Zelenska, are still trying to communicate to promote peace, albeit through the desperately unhelpful fog of partisan propaganda, every day more Ukrainian and Russian lives are tragically lost. Un-fathomably, the President of The United States of America, speaks publicly, in raucous and bellicose tones, of removing his opposite number in Russia from power. What! Mr. President the world is not a uni-polar Marvel Comic strip. What are you thinking? The Powers that Be who pull your strings and presumably tell you what to say, have a powerful echo chamber in the whole of the mainstream media, but ‘we the people’ have a voice too, and we will continue to use it, in spite of your efforts to subvert the law, ignore the constitution of the United States, and suppress basic human rights even to the point of imprisoning journalists who actually believe in liberty and democracy. Yes, Mr. President, I’m talking about Julian Assange.
More and more we are noticing that US foreign policy, as planned thirty years ago, by The Project For The New American Century, by Wolfowitz and Kagan, Kristol, Cheney, Rumsfeld and the rest of the neo cons, has increasingly become, the voice of the school yard bully, “Do as we say or we’ll kick your teeth in.” Really? Do you really think the American Empire should be trying to start a war with Russia? And then China? Are you crazy? ‘We the People’ don’t want that, because ‘We the People’ are not crazy. And the Russian and Chinese people don’t want that either, because they too are not crazy, but by God if you do start one, we better all get ready for a bloody nose because as I recall the Russian people didn’t want a war with the Germans either, but twenty six million of them died giving the Nazis a very bloody nose.
So where was I Mrs. Zelenska, I’m sorry I got a bit side tracked, oh yes, why don’t you prevail upon your husband to ‘do the right thing’, and ‘We the People’ in the USA will try to prevail upon poor old Uncle Joe Biden to do the right thing, and the Russian people will prevail upon the ‘stripped to the waist’ Vladimir Putin to do the right thing, and maybe, together, 'We the People’ can prevail upon all our leaders to do the right thing, and maybe we can save the world from the imminent destruction upon which they seem hellbent. Maybe we can prevent The Powers that Be from sacrificing this, our beautiful planet home, on the altar of their deadly uni-polar warmongering.
Love
Roger Waters
https://www.facebook.com/rogerwaters/posts/pfbid06jLnDuRMarFZX5FCqvC6JDXJ6PGYRDWDkzCMCDmd19TETVUdzAkdFVWvzZBgsk2Fl
#2 Sabemos si Roger Waters envió alguna carta abierta a Putin?