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		<meneame:comment_id>38154838</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:order>14</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--688899--</meneame:user>
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		<meneame:karma>7</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/filtran-planes-otan-ucrania</meneame:url>
		<title>#14 Se filtran los planes de la OTAN para Ucrania [EN]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/filtran-planes-otan-ucrania/c014#c-14</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2023 15:27:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/filtran-planes-otan-ucrania/c014#c-14</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>WikiLeaks vuelve a funcionar? <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/troll.png" alt=":troll:" title=":troll:" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--688899--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>38154221</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>3800145</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>13</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>mikibastar</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>9</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/filtran-planes-otan-ucrania</meneame:url>
		<title>#13 Se filtran los planes de la OTAN para Ucrania [EN]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/filtran-planes-otan-ucrania/c013#c-13</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2023 12:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>mikibastar</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/filtran-planes-otan-ucrania/c013#c-13</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>No lo sé Rick, parece falso.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>mikibastar</strong></p>]]></description>
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	<item>
		<meneame:comment_id>38153727</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>3800145</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>12</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Enésimo_strike</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>12</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/filtran-planes-otan-ucrania</meneame:url>
		<title>#12 Se filtran los planes de la OTAN para Ucrania [EN]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/filtran-planes-otan-ucrania/c012#c-12</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2023 10:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Enésimo_strike</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/filtran-planes-otan-ucrania/c012#c-12</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>Tiene toda la pinta de maniobra de desinformación.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Enésimo_strike</strong></p>]]></description>
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	<item>
		<meneame:comment_id>38153711</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>3800145</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>11</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--457331--</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>1</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>17</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/filtran-planes-otan-ucrania</meneame:url>
		<title>#11 Se filtran los planes de la OTAN para Ucrania [EN]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/filtran-planes-otan-ucrania/c011#c-11</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2023 10:53:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--457331--</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Satnistas no, pero tampoco son María Teresa De Calcuta:</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--457331--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>38153359</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>3800145</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>10</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--42429--</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>11</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/filtran-planes-otan-ucrania</meneame:url>
		<title>#10 Se filtran los planes de la OTAN para Ucrania [EN]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/filtran-planes-otan-ucrania/c010#c-10</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2023 09:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--42429--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/filtran-planes-otan-ucrania/c010#c-10</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:3800145-8" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/filtran-planes-otan-ucrania/c08#c-8" rel="nofollow">#8</a> Otra muestra más de Putin se está enfrentando a satanistas.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--42429--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>38153347</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>3800145</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>9</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>sotillo</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>10</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/filtran-planes-otan-ucrania</meneame:url>
		<title>#9 Se filtran los planes de la OTAN para Ucrania [EN]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/filtran-planes-otan-ucrania/c09#c-9</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2023 09:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>sotillo</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/filtran-planes-otan-ucrania/c09#c-9</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>Mani, mani, manipulación</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>sotillo</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>38153343</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>3800145</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>8</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>El_Tio_Istvan</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>2</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>41</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/filtran-planes-otan-ucrania</meneame:url>
		<title>#8 Se filtran los planes de la OTAN para Ucrania [EN]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/filtran-planes-otan-ucrania/c08#c-8</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2023 09:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>El_Tio_Istvan</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/filtran-planes-otan-ucrania/c08#c-8</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>&#34;However, now the Pentagram[...]&#34;<br />
<br />
El pentagrama de Wagner?!? <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/troll.png" alt=":troll:" title=":troll:" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /><br />
<br />
EDIT: Por cierto, lo escuché ayer en el 24H y me causó curiosidad, pero no he tenido tiempo de leer sobre el tema. Gracias por el link de the gray zone, <a class="tooltip c:3800145-3" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/filtran-planes-otan-ucrania/c03#c-3" rel="nofollow">#3</a></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>El_Tio_Istvan</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>38153338</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>3800145</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>7</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--42429--</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>5</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>44</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/filtran-planes-otan-ucrania</meneame:url>
		<title>#7 Se filtran los planes de la OTAN para Ucrania [EN]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/filtran-planes-otan-ucrania/c07#c-7</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2023 09:35:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--42429--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/filtran-planes-otan-ucrania/c07#c-7</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>Resumen:<br />
<br />
El articulista empieza curándose en salud y advierte que:<br />
<br />
<i>    1) The initial copies which circulated all over Telegram were altered by [presumably] a Russian source who changed (photoshopped) the ‘Losses’ data, however original versions have now been found. (more on this later)<br />
<br />
   2)  One obvious consideration is that this leak could be a mass deliberate maskirovka campaign by NATO/U.S. to fool Russia with seemingly authentic information on the offensive, which would intentionally steer Russian defenses in the wrong direction, etc. </i><br />
<br />
Luego vas a la chicha, que es que los supuestos documentos muestran A) números de muertos y B)  números de recursos disponibles.<br />
<br />
Y acaba el artículo con la conclusión de que: <br />
<i>For now it appears there’s still time left, as—if these leaks are real—it shows a major offensive cannot come before May, at least not at the Southern Front. They are likely still planning a local Bakhmut counter-offensive with the reserves accumulated there. </i></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--42429--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>38153314</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>3800145</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>6</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>TooBased</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>20</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/filtran-planes-otan-ucrania</meneame:url>
		<title>#6 Se filtran los planes de la OTAN para Ucrania [EN]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/filtran-planes-otan-ucrania/c06#c-6</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2023 09:31:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>TooBased</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/filtran-planes-otan-ucrania/c06#c-6</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:3800145-1" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/filtran-planes-otan-ucrania/c01#c-1" rel="nofollow">#1</a> Enlace al New York Times: <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/06/us/politics/ukraine-war-plan-russia.html" title="www.nytimes.com/2023/04/06/us/politics/ukraine-war-plan-russia.html" rel="nofollow">www.nytimes.com/2023/04/06/us/politics/ukraine-war-plan-russia.html</a></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>TooBased</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>38153312</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>3800145</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>5</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>TooBased</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>4</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>53</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/filtran-planes-otan-ucrania</meneame:url>
		<title>#5 Se filtran los planes de la OTAN para Ucrania [EN]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/filtran-planes-otan-ucrania/c05#c-5</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2023 09:31:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>TooBased</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/filtran-planes-otan-ucrania/c05#c-5</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>_4 Por eso lo publica el New York Times <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/06/us/politics/ukraine-war-plan-russia.html" title="www.nytimes.com/2023/04/06/us/politics/ukraine-war-plan-russia.html" rel="nofollow">www.nytimes.com/2023/04/06/us/politics/ukraine-war-plan-russia.html</a> y Elon Musk reconoce que lo están borrando y está llamando la atención: <a href="https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1644174878382215170" title="twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1644174878382215170" rel="nofollow">twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1644174878382215170</a><br />
<br />
Comentarios basurillas para no reconocer algo que ya han reconocido... como siempre los lamebotas de Occidente haciendo su trabajo.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>TooBased</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>38153283</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>3800145</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>4</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--602521--</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>2</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>16</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/filtran-planes-otan-ucrania</meneame:url>
		<title>#4 Se filtran los planes de la OTAN para Ucrania [EN]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/filtran-planes-otan-ucrania/c04#c-4</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2023 09:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--602521--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/filtran-planes-otan-ucrania/c04#c-4</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>basurilla para tener a los tankies contentos</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--602521--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>38153259</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>3800145</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>3</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>TooBased</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>2</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>41</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/filtran-planes-otan-ucrania</meneame:url>
		<title>#3 Se filtran los planes de la OTAN para Ucrania [EN]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/filtran-planes-otan-ucrania/c03#c-3</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2023 09:25:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>TooBased</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/filtran-planes-otan-ucrania/c03#c-3</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:3800145-1" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/filtran-planes-otan-ucrania/c01#c-1" rel="nofollow">#1</a> Enlace a GrayZone: <a href="https://thegrayzone.com/2023/04/07/leaked-documents-us-nato-ukraine-war-plan/" title="thegrayzone.com/2023/04/07/leaked-documents-us-nato-ukraine-war-plan/" rel="nofollow">thegrayzone.com/2023/04/07/leaked-documents-us-nato-ukraine-war-plan/</a></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>TooBased</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>38153245</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>3800145</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>2</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>cenutrios_unidos</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>2</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>33</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/filtran-planes-otan-ucrania</meneame:url>
		<title>#2 Se filtran los planes de la OTAN para Ucrania [EN]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/filtran-planes-otan-ucrania/c02#c-2</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2023 09:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>cenutrios_unidos</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/filtran-planes-otan-ucrania/c02#c-2</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>Sale lo del Nord Stream 2?<br />
<br />
Pues eso...no filtran nada</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>cenutrios_unidos</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>38153231</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>3800145</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>1</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>TooBased</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>20</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/filtran-planes-otan-ucrania</meneame:url>
		<title>#1 Se filtran los planes de la OTAN para Ucrania [EN]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/filtran-planes-otan-ucrania/c01#c-1</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2023 09:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>TooBased</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/filtran-planes-otan-ucrania/c01#c-1</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>Traducción Automática: <a href="https://simplicius76-substack-com.translate.goog/p/major-nato-plans-for-ukraine-leaked?_x_tr_sl=en&#38;_x_tr_tl=es&#38;_x_tr_hl=es&#38;_x_tr_pto=wapp" title="simplicius76-substack-com.translate.goog/p/major-nato-plans-for-ukraine-leaked?_x_tr_sl=en&#38;_x_tr_tl=es&#38;_x_tr_hl=es&#38;_x_tr_pto=wapp" rel="nofollow">simplicius76-substack-com.translate.goog/p/major-nato-plans-for-ukrain</a><br />
<br />
Relacionada: <a href="https://www.meneame.net/story/pentagono-eeuu-investiga-filtracion-documentos-clasificados" title="www.meneame.net/story/pentagono-eeuu-investiga-filtracion-documentos-clasificados" rel="nofollow">www.meneame.net/story/pentagono-eeuu-investiga-filtracion-documentos-c</a><br />
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<i>&#34;Pero antes de sumergirnos, algunas palabras de contextualización. En primer lugar, a pesar de la absoluta autenticidad de los documentos a primera vista, conviene decir varias cosas a modo de antecedente:<br />
<br />
Las copias iniciales que circularon por todo Telegram fueron alteradas [presumiblemente] por una fuente rusa que cambió (modificó con Photoshop) los datos de 'Pérdidas', sin embargo, ahora se han encontrado versiones originales. (más sobre esto más adelante).<br />
<br />
Una consideración obvia es que esta filtración podría ser una campaña masiva deliberada por parte de la OTAN/EE. UU. para engañar a Rusia con información aparentemente auténtica sobre la ofensiva, lo que intencionalmente dirigiría las defensas rusas en la dirección equivocada, etc.&#34;</i></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>TooBased</strong></p>]]></description>
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