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Publicado hace 13 años por mezvan a recuerdosdepandora.com

[c&p] Hay multitud de historias de judíos que vivieron en la Alemania Nazi. La mayor parte de las historias que se recuerdan son de exiliados con el ascenso de Hitler (como Berltolt Brecht o Albert Einstein) o de aquellos que tuvieron menos suerte, terminando con sus vidas en un campo de refugiados (como Ana Frank o Kurt Gerron). Hoy, saliéndome de esa tónica, quiero contar la historia de Hertha Nathorff, una médico judía que intentó convivir con el régimen.

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Nunca se me ha olvidado lo que me impresionó la novela Holocausto (http://www.hislibris.com/holocausto-gerald-green/). Si la miniserie para TV era magnífica, la novela original me impactó por la visión interna que daba de los personajes:

- Por un lado, la familia judía acomodada y culta (el patriarca, héroe de la Primera Guerra Mundial, el padre médico) que no concebía que pudiera ser perseguida en su propio país (excepto el hijo menor, el rebelde de la familia)

- Por otro lado, la familia alemana más bien modesta (el hijo de un panadero que había terminado la carrera de Derecho y no tenía trabajo en una Alemania en plena Depresión) que escalaba socialmente gracias a que el marido se alista en las SS (al principio, sin ninguna pretensión ideológica, simplemente porque necesitaba un trabajo)

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Para que luego comparen cualquier cosa con nazismo, genocidio y similares (y teniendo en cuenta, que dentro de lo que acostumbrado sobre este tema es una historia "blanda")

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6 meneos en 2 minutos para un texto que me ha llevado 5 mnutos leer, Que lento soy

D

al loro con los comentarios de abajo

mirar al negacionista del cometnario 5

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#7 ufff, no entiendo como hay gente así, no debe de haber oído nunca a ningún superviviente

c

Todavía saldrá algún fanboy que se mofe de aquellas gentes. Al tiempo.

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Menuda chorrada. Es bien sabido las relaciones de los sionistas con los nazis:

"THE NAZI JEWS: ISRAEL'S SECRET SHAME


The Stern Gang was a fringe group of bloodthirsty settlers in Palestine, who were willing to collaborate with the Nazis in order to achieve their aim of creating a totalitarian Jewish state. Most Jews had forgotten them, until Begin won the Israeli elections of 1977. He immediately appointed Yitzak Shamir as his Foreign Minister, who had been Stern's Operations Commander. It was in 1978 that Israel circulated postage stamps commemorating Stern's contribution to the Israeli state. Yitzak Shamir, who later became Prime Minister, knew in detail the Stern Gang's collaboration with the Fascists and when asked to explain, he ironically replied with the old Arab saying: 'The enemy of my enemy is my friend.' When Shamir was appointed Foreign Minister, international opinion focused on the fact that Begin had selected the organiser of two famous assassinations: that of Lord Moyne, the British Minister Resident for the Middle East, on 6 November 1944; and the slaying of Count Folke Bernadotte, the UN's special Mediator on Palestine, on 17 September 1948. Concern for his past was allowed to obscure the more grotesque notion that an admirer of Hitler could rise to the leadership of a Jewish state. When Begin appointed Shamir, he knew of his past. Did Yitzhak Yzertinsky (aka rabbi Shamir) know of his group's proposed alliance with Hitler? In recent years the wartime activities of the Stern Gang have been thoroughly researched by one of the youths who joined it in the post-war period. Baruch Nadel is certain that Shamir was fully aware of Stern's plan to collaborate with the Nazis: 'They all knew about it.'

The Holocaust in Europe made these fascists uncomfortable. The notion that 'Jews had waited passively for their slaughter' was somewhat of an embarrassment for the totalitarians in Israel after the war. They wanted a 'new' jewish image based on a warrior ideal. It was only later that Israel saw the propaganda potential of exploiting the memory of the slaughtered, most of whom died cursing the name of their 'God'. What a pity that their dreamed of homeland is now swarming with black-clad parasites. It is an open secret that Israel hid many of the disturbed concentration camp survivors in psychiatric wards, to 'sanitise' the streets of Tel Aviv. They remain there still, untreated.

On the night of 31/08 -1/09/l939 the entire command of the Irgun, including Stern, was arrested by the British. He was later released, in June of 1940 and set up a new movement, that distanced itself from Jabotinsky's Zionist group, which had called off all military operations against the British. Stern saw Jabotinsky as a squeamish liberal who felt uncomfortable about slaughtering Arabs, something that Stern saw as essential. The two leaders clashed and by September 1940 the Irgun was split. The majority followed Stern. Stern or 'Yair', as he called himself, (after Eleazer ben Yair, the commander at Masada) began to define his 18 principles. His dream envisaged a Jewish state with its borders as defined in Genesis 'from the brook of Egypt to the great river, the river Euphrates,' the expulsion of the Arabs and the building of the Third Jerusalem Temple. The British, as the administrative power in Palestine, were an impediment to Stern's plan. However, there was no way the Sternists could defeat them, so they looked to the axis for support. Stern therefore rejected any suggestions of joining the allies in repelling Hitler. The Sternists instead contacted an Italian agent in Jerusalem and in September 1940 drew up an agreement whereby Mussolini would recognise a Zionist state in return for Sternist coordination with the Italians in the Middle East.


Stern sent Naftali Lubentschik to Beirut, which was still controlled by Vichy France, to negotiate directly with the Axis. Zionists, they believed, had to convince the Axis that they were serious, by coming into direct military conflict with Britain, so that the fascists could see the use for a Zionist-Nazi alliance. In January 1941, Lubentschik met two Germans, Rudolf Rosen and Otto von Hentig, a pro-Jewish Nazi (!?), who was then head of the Oriental Department of the German Foreign Office. Lubentschik told von Hentig that if the Nazis were unwilling to set up an immediate Zionist state in Palestine, the Sternists would be willing to work with them for a jewish state in Madagascar. The idea of jewish colonies in Africa had been suggested by the Germans earlier, as part of their vision of an empire there. However, the Germans must have thought that the Sternists were playing a practical joke, as they ceased all contact with them. In December 1941 the Stern Gang tried again. After the British had taken Lebanon, Stern sent Nathan Yalin-Mor to try and contact the Nazis in neutral Turkey, but he was arrested before he even got there.

After the war a copy of the Stern proposal for an alliance with the Nazis was discovered in the files of the German Embassy in Turkey. The 'Ankara Document' called itself a 'Proposal of the National Military Organisation (Irgun Zvai Leumi) Concerning the Solution of the Jewish Question in Europe and the Participation of the NMO in the War on the side of Germany.'

THE DOCUMENT'S PROPOSALS

Fundamental Features of the Proposal of the National Military Organisation in Palestine (Irgun Zvai Leumi) Concerning the Solution of the Jewish Question in Europe and the Participation of the NMO in the War on the Side of Germany (1941)

It is often stated in the speeches and utterances of the leading statesmen of National Socialist Germany that a prerequisite of the New Order in Europe requires the radical solution of the Jewish question through evacuation. The evacuation of the Jewish masses from Europe is a precondition for solving the Jewish question; but this can only be made possible and complete through the settlement of these masses in the home of the Jewish people, Palestine, and through the establishment of a Jewish state in its historic boundaries. The solving in this manner of the Jewish problem, thus bringing with it once and for all the liberation of the Jewish people, is the objective of the political activity and the years-long struggle of the Israeli freedom movement, the National Military Organization (Irgun Zvai Leumi) in Palestine. The NMO, which is well-acquainted with the goodwill of the German Reich government and its authorities towards Zionist activity inside Germany and towards Zionist emigration plans, is of the opinion that:

1. Common interests could exist between the establishment of a new order in Europe in conformity with the German concept, and the true national aspirations of the Jewish people as they are embodied by the NMO.

2. Cooperation between the new Germany and a renewed folkish-national Hebraium would be possible and,

3. The establishment of the historic Jewish state on a national and totalitarian basis, bound by a treaty with the German Reich, would be in the interest of a maintained and strengthened future German position of power in the Near East.

Proceeding from these considerations, the NMO in Palestine, under the condition the above-mentioned national aspirations of the Israeli freedom movement are recognized on the side of the German Reich, offers to actively take part in the war on Germany's side. This offer by the NMO, covering activity in the military, political and information fields, in Palestine and, according to our determined preparations, outside Palestine, would be connected to the military training and organising of Jewish manpower in Europe, under the leadership and command of the NMO. These military units would take part in the fight to conquer Palestine, should such a front be decided upon. The cooperation of the Israeli freedom movement would also be along the lines of one of the last speeches of the German Reich Chancellor, in which Herr Hitler emphasised that he would utilise every combination and coalition in order to isolate and defeat England."

http://ethnikoi.org/devilsarse.html

Además, importantes cargos del nazi tenían apellidos "muy judíos", como Rosenberg. El propio Hitler, dicen que tenía origen judío.

Nada nuevo el sol.

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#3 No niego que lo que dices pueda ser cierto, pero... a qué viene? Claramente no has leído la noticia y no has entedido la entradilla.

Pista: "convivir" no es sinónimo de "colaborar"

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#4 Sabes que llevo razón.