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		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/m/emnm/extraer-clave-gpg-traves-pared-eng</meneame:url>
		<title>#10 Extraer clave GPG a través de una pared [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/m/emnm/extraer-clave-gpg-traves-pared-eng/c010#c-10</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2016 09:04:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:2565270-6" href="https://www.meneame.net/m/emnm/extraer-clave-gpg-traves-pared-eng/c06#c-6" rel="nofollow">#6</a> Claro, la salida ya la tienen pinchada, ahora necesitan descifrarla.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--127714--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>18842923</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>2565270</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>9</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Avantasia</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>6</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/m/emnm/extraer-clave-gpg-traves-pared-eng</meneame:url>
		<title>#9 Extraer clave GPG a través de una pared [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/m/emnm/extraer-clave-gpg-traves-pared-eng/c09#c-9</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2016 07:20:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Avantasia</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/m/emnm/extraer-clave-gpg-traves-pared-eng/c09#c-9</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:2565270-6" href="https://www.meneame.net/m/emnm/extraer-clave-gpg-traves-pared-eng/c06#c-6" rel="nofollow">#6</a> Pinchando la salida a Internet ya interceptarías las comunicaciones cifradas.<br />
<br />
Sobre lo de que la vulnerabilidad se arregla aumentando el blindaje, no estoy de acuerdo, este es un side-channel attack para GnuPG y tendrán que resolverlo ellos en el propio software bien mediante código que directamente evite el ataque o filtre información no válida en caso de que se produzca como ya se hace para evitar otros ataques similares, porque tu desarrollas en este caso una librería o un software pero no sabes en donde se va a implementar, así que tienes que ponerte en el peor de los casos.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Avantasia</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>18842180</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>2565270</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>8</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>llou</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>10</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/m/emnm/extraer-clave-gpg-traves-pared-eng</meneame:url>
		<title>#8 Extraer clave GPG a través de una pared [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/m/emnm/extraer-clave-gpg-traves-pared-eng/c08#c-8</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2016 22:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>llou</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/m/emnm/extraer-clave-gpg-traves-pared-eng/c08#c-8</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:2565270-7" href="https://www.meneame.net/m/emnm/extraer-clave-gpg-traves-pared-eng/c07#c-7" rel="nofollow">#7</a> El macbook cuando está cerrado, y eso solo funciona cuando lo tienes enchufado a un monitor/teclado/raton externo.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>llou</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>18842049</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>2565270</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>7</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--506045--</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>7</meneame:karma>
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		<title>#7 Extraer clave GPG a través de una pared [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/m/emnm/extraer-clave-gpg-traves-pared-eng/c07#c-7</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2016 22:20:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--506045--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/m/emnm/extraer-clave-gpg-traves-pared-eng/c07#c-7</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:2565270-1" href="https://www.meneame.net/m/emnm/extraer-clave-gpg-traves-pared-eng/c01#c-1" rel="nofollow">#1</a> si es que donde se ponga un macbook</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--506045--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>18842039</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>2565270</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>6</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--280860--</meneame:user>
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		<meneame:karma>8</meneame:karma>
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		<title>#6 Extraer clave GPG a través de una pared [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/m/emnm/extraer-clave-gpg-traves-pared-eng/c06#c-6</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2016 22:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--280860--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/m/emnm/extraer-clave-gpg-traves-pared-eng/c06#c-6</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:2565270-5" href="https://www.meneame.net/m/emnm/extraer-clave-gpg-traves-pared-eng/c05#c-5" rel="nofollow">#5</a> Si prepara un mesa o tiene nano maquinas voladoras para pegarse a las carcasas del equipo si. <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/lol.gif" alt="xD" title=":lol: xD" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /><br />
Por mucha NSA que sea la física no te la saltas.<br />
Creo que sale mas rentable pinchar las salidas a Internet de esos equipos.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--280860--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>18842013</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:order>5</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--127714--</meneame:user>
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		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/m/emnm/extraer-clave-gpg-traves-pared-eng</meneame:url>
		<title>#5 Extraer clave GPG a través de una pared [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/m/emnm/extraer-clave-gpg-traves-pared-eng/c05#c-5</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2016 22:15:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--127714--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/m/emnm/extraer-clave-gpg-traves-pared-eng/c05#c-5</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:2565270-3" href="https://www.meneame.net/m/emnm/extraer-clave-gpg-traves-pared-eng/c03#c-3" rel="nofollow">#3</a> Está claro que no es más que una prueba de concepto en un entorno controlado, pero como siempre, la NSA bien puede estar usando esta tecnología (y otras <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempest_(codename)" title="en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempest_(codename)" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempest_(codename)</a> ) teniendo como tienen todos los medios necesarios a su alcance.<br />
<br />
<a class="tooltip c:2565270-4" href="https://www.meneame.net/m/emnm/extraer-clave-gpg-traves-pared-eng/c04#c-4" rel="nofollow">#4</a> Será más fácil, pero no será tan molón.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--127714--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>18842000</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:order>4</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>capitan__nemo</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>11</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/m/emnm/extraer-clave-gpg-traves-pared-eng</meneame:url>
		<title>#4 Extraer clave GPG a través de una pared [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/m/emnm/extraer-clave-gpg-traves-pared-eng/c04#c-4</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2016 22:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>capitan__nemo</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/m/emnm/extraer-clave-gpg-traves-pared-eng/c04#c-4</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>¿No será mas facil utilizar una de las miles de vulnerabilidades sin publicar que tienen algunos en su colección e infectar el equipo?</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>capitan__nemo</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>18841965</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>2565270</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>3</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--280860--</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>1</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>21</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/m/emnm/extraer-clave-gpg-traves-pared-eng</meneame:url>
		<title>#3 Extraer clave GPG a través de una pared [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/m/emnm/extraer-clave-gpg-traves-pared-eng/c03#c-3</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2016 22:06:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--280860--</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:2565270-2" href="https://www.meneame.net/m/emnm/extraer-clave-gpg-traves-pared-eng/c02#c-2" rel="nofollow">#2</a> <br />
Solo les falto quitar la tapa y pinchar en reguladores. <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/lol.gif" alt="xD" title=":lol: xD" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /><br />
Puedes guardar el gorro o nunca poner el portátil en una mesa de un desconocido.<br />
La verdad es un poco estúpido ese estudio pero vale para que los ingenieros nunca se olviden de que hay que cumplir la normativa EMI en sus diseños que si los dejas por ahorrar componentes ya la suelen montar en los filtrados de fuentes y margenes de las fuentes conmutadas siendo estas las culpables de casi todas las averías.<br />
<br />
&#34;This section describes the lab setup used for characterizing the EM leakage from target computers at<br />
frequencies of 0{5 MHz. We have also constructed a more realistic setup, described in see Section 3.3.<br />
Probe.<br />
To measure the EM leakage from the target laptop with high spatial precision, we used<br />
a Langer LF-R 400 near  eld probe (a 25mm loop probe, 0{50 MHz).  The location of the probe<br />
relative to the laptop body greatly a ects the measured signal.  In our experiments, the best signal<br />
quality was obtained close to the CPU's voltage regulator, which on most laptops is located in the<br />
rear left corner.  We thus placed the probe at that position, without any chassis intrusion or other<br />
modi cation to the target laptop.<br />
Ampli cation and Digitization.<br />
To amplify the signal measured by the probe we used a (cus-<br />
tomized) Mini-Circuits ZPUL-30P ampli er, providing 40 dB of gain.  The output of the ampli er<br />
was  then  low-pass   ltered  at  5 MHz  and  digitized  using  a  National-Instruments  PCI  6115  data<br />
acquisition device sampling at 10 Msample<br />
=<br />
sec with 12 bits of ADC resolution&#34;</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--280860--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>18841861</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:order>2</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--127714--</meneame:user>
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		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/m/emnm/extraer-clave-gpg-traves-pared-eng</meneame:url>
		<title>#2 Extraer clave GPG a través de una pared [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/m/emnm/extraer-clave-gpg-traves-pared-eng/c02#c-2</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2016 21:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--127714--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/m/emnm/extraer-clave-gpg-traves-pared-eng/c02#c-2</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>Es hora de ponerse los... <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/tinfoil.gif" alt=":tinfoil:" title=":tinfoil:" width="18" height="26" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /> <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/tinfoil.gif" alt=":tinfoil:" title=":tinfoil:" width="18" height="26" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /> <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/tinfoil.gif" alt=":tinfoil:" title=":tinfoil:" width="18" height="26" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /> <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/tinfoil.gif" alt=":tinfoil:" title=":tinfoil:" width="18" height="26" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--127714--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>18841844</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:order>1</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>llou</meneame:user>
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		<meneame:karma>10</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/m/emnm/extraer-clave-gpg-traves-pared-eng</meneame:url>
		<title>#1 Extraer clave GPG a través de una pared [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/m/emnm/extraer-clave-gpg-traves-pared-eng/c01#c-1</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2016 21:44:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>llou</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/m/emnm/extraer-clave-gpg-traves-pared-eng/c01#c-1</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>Bueno, es un ordenador de plastico, uno con carcasa metalica lo tendra mas dificil. Pero, aun así se sale.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>llou</strong></p>]]></description>
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