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		<meneame:user>suppiluliuma</meneame:user>
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		<title>#6 El sombrío futuro de Europa [en]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/m/POLÍTICA/sombrio-futuro-europa/c06#c-6</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2025 20:49:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>¡Hostia puta, Mearsheimer! ¡Vade retro, Satanás!<br />
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En fin, una ocasión más de recordar uno de los grandes momentos de humor involuntario que Mearsheimer nos ha dado, <a href="https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/john-mearsheimer-on-putins-ambitions-after-nine-months-of-war" title="www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/john-mearsheimer-on-putins-ambitions-after-nine-months-of-war" rel="nofollow">cortesía de Isaac Chotiner</a>.<br />
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<b>C: I was interested in that article because you say the idea that Putin may eventually go after the rest of Ukraine, as well as other countries in Eastern Europe, is wrong. Given that he seems to be going after the rest of Ukraine now, do you think in hindsight that that argument is perhaps more true, even if we didn’t know it at the time?</b><br />
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<i>M: It’s hard to say whether he’s going to go after the rest of Ukraine because—I don’t mean to nitpick here but—that implies that he wants to conquer all of Ukraine, and then he will turn to the Baltic states, and his aim is to create a greater Russia or the reincarnation of the Soviet Union. I don’t see evidence at this point that that is true. It’s difficult to tell, looking at the maps of the ongoing conflict, exactly what he’s up to. It seems quite clear to me that he is going to take the Donbass and that the Donbass is going to be either two independent states or one big independent state, but beyond that it’s not clear what he’s going to do. I mean, it does seem apparent that he’s not touching western Ukraine.</i><br />
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<b>C: His bombs are touching it, right?</b><br />
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<i>M: But that’s not the key issue. The key issue is: What territory do you conquer, and what territory do you hold onto? I was talking to somebody the other day about what’s going to happen with these forces that are coming out of Crimea, and the person told me that he thought they would turn west and take Odessa. I was talking to somebody else more recently who said that that’s not going to happen. Do I know what’s going to happen? No, none of us know what’s going to happen.</i><br />
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<b>C: You don’t think he has designs on Kyiv?</b><br />
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<i>M: No, I don’t think he has designs on Kyiv. I think he’s interested in taking at least the Donbass, and maybe some more territory and eastern Ukraine, and, number two, he wants to install in Kyiv a pro-Russian government, a government that is attuned to Moscow’s interests.</i><br />
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<b>C: I thought you said that he was not interested in taking Kyiv.</b><br />
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<i>M: No, he’s interested in taking Kyiv for the purpose of regime change. O.K.?</i><br />
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<b>C: As opposed to what?</b><br />
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<i>M: As opposed to permanently conquering Kyiv.</i><br />
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<b>C: It would be a Russian-friendly government that he would presumably have some say over, right?</b><br />
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<i>M: Yes, exactly. But it’s important to understand that it is fundamentally different from conquering and holding onto Kyiv. Do you understand what I’m saying?</i><br />
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Putin no tenía deseos de tomar Kiev. Bueno, excepto que sí iba a tomar Kiev. Pero, oye, no era para tomar Kiev. Sin duda, un analista del que nos podemos fiar. <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/shit.png" alt=":shit:" title=":shit:" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /><br />
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Por cierto, este es el segundo envío de The American Conservative, que la supuesta <i>berdadera hizquierda hanti-himperialista y halter-mundista</i> de MNM ha subido hoy. <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/lol.gif" alt="xD" title=":lol: xD" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /><br />
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Qué poco disimulan los jodíos.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>suppiluliuma</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:order>5</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>rogerius</meneame:user>
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		<title>#5 El sombrío futuro de Europa [en]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/m/POLÍTICA/sombrio-futuro-europa/c05#c-5</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2025 20:49:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>rogerius</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:4122273-3" href="https://www.meneame.net/m/POLÍTICA/sombrio-futuro-europa/c03#c-3" rel="nofollow">#3</a> Pues, nada, ya se lo digo yo al amigo John J. Mearsheimer, profesor de Ciencias políticas en la Universidad de Chicago, que seguramente dice cosas a lo loco. Y, por cierto, que se dijera lo que dices que se dijo no significa que Rusia lo creyera.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>rogerius</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>43927380</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:order>4</meneame:order>
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		<title>#4 El sombrío futuro de Europa [en]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/m/POLÍTICA/sombrio-futuro-europa/c04#c-4</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2025 20:21:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>En una aplicación similar al antiguo TV cable tengo Euronews en español. Es un canal de noticias, con algún programa de debate de actualidad y varios programas de reportajes sobre ciencia, actualidad y cultura.<br />
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El caso es que ayer prendí la tele para ver noticias y había un reportaje. Un periodista que hablaba alemán estaba en Letonia mostrando cómo están usando drones en la frontera y un militar decía lo habitual en estos casos, nada raro. Pero al rato el periodista va a una fábrica de drones, saluda con alegría y se muestra embelesado por lo que cuenta un joven vendedor de armas que habla de cómo construyen drones que sueltan cabezas de guerra asistidos por IA. Me dio asco, miedo y tristeza y apagué la tele.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Robe7064</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>43927360</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:order>3</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>El_dinero_no_es_de_nadie</meneame:user>
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		<title>#3 El sombrío futuro de Europa [en]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/m/POLÍTICA/sombrio-futuro-europa/c03#c-3</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2025 20:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>El_dinero_no_es_de_nadie</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/m/POLÍTICA/sombrio-futuro-europa/c03#c-3</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>Ucrania no iba a entrar en la OTAN, ya se dijo en 2008 que no y no había variado esa postura.<br />
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Todo el artículo se basa en una falacia ya que ni había planes ni se había planteado.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>El_dinero_no_es_de_nadie</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>43927316</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:user>ChatGPT</meneame:user>
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		<title>#2 El sombrío futuro de Europa [en]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/m/POLÍTICA/sombrio-futuro-europa/c02#c-2</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2025 20:09:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>ChatGPT</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Presente…</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>ChatGPT</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>43927313</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:order>1</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>rogerius</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>2</meneame:votes>
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		<title>#1 El sombrío futuro de Europa [en]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/m/POLÍTICA/sombrio-futuro-europa/c01#c-1</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2025 20:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>rogerius</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Hay traducción: <a href="https://sinpermiso.info/textos/el-sombrio-futuro-de-europa" title="sinpermiso.info/textos/el-sombrio-futuro-de-europa" rel="nofollow">sinpermiso.info/textos/el-sombrio-futuro-de-europa</a></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>rogerius</strong></p>]]></description>
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