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		<meneame:comment_id>4994616</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:order>10</meneame:order>
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		<title>#10 Saramago: Falsa democracia (Port)</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/saramago-falsa-democracia-port/c010#c-10</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 09:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:778641-9" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/saramago-falsa-democracia-port/c09#c-9" rel="nofollow">#9</a> Bueno, quitando tres o cuatro palabras que no acabo de pillar, creo que la traducción que pongo en <a class="tooltip c:778641-1" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/saramago-falsa-democracia-port/c01#c-1" rel="nofollow">#1</a> es bastante fiable.<br />
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Yo creo que queda demostrado sin ningún tipo de duda, pero en fin.. <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/tongue.png" alt=":-P" title=":-P" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--88190--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>4994602</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>778641</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>9</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--125164--</meneame:user>
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		<meneame:karma>7</meneame:karma>
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		<title>#9 Saramago: Falsa democracia (Port)</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/saramago-falsa-democracia-port/c09#c-9</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 09:53:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:778641-7" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/saramago-falsa-democracia-port/c07#c-7" rel="nofollow">#7</a> <a class="tooltip c:778641-8" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/saramago-falsa-democracia-port/c08#c-8" rel="nofollow">#8</a> Jaja seh, no vi el video porque no entiendo el idioma, habría que ver si sólo hace un simple discurso (no por eso malo), o presenta alguna tesis o teoría en donde efectivamente lo demuestra.<br />
<img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/grin.png" alt=":-D" title=":-D" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--125164--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>4994598</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>778641</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>8</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--141190--</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>9</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/saramago-falsa-democracia-port</meneame:url>
		<title>#8 Saramago: Falsa democracia (Port)</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/saramago-falsa-democracia-port/c08#c-8</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 09:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--141190--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/saramago-falsa-democracia-port/c08#c-8</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:778641-6" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/saramago-falsa-democracia-port/c06#c-6" rel="nofollow">#6</a> <a class="tooltip c:778641-7" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/saramago-falsa-democracia-port/c07#c-7" rel="nofollow">#7</a> Saramago lo que hace es ofrecernos una opinión, con la que personalmente estoy totalmente de acuerdo. Pero no todo el mundo pensará lo mismo. El termino &#34;demostración&#34;, creo que tiene connotaciones más científicas. <br />
<br />
Y opinión y ciencia, como que no son lo mismo. <br />
<br />
Es mi humilde opinión ... <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/wink.png" alt=";)" title=";)" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--141190--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>4994594</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>778641</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>7</meneame:order>
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		<meneame:karma>8</meneame:karma>
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		<title>#7 Saramago: Falsa democracia (Port)</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/saramago-falsa-democracia-port/c07#c-7</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 09:50:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--88190--</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:778641-6" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/saramago-falsa-democracia-port/c06#c-6" rel="nofollow">#6</a> <a class="tooltip c:778641-5" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/saramago-falsa-democracia-port/c05#c-5" rel="nofollow">#5</a> Yo también creo que lo demuestra, pero en fin, todo sea por no hacer microblogging.<br />
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Todo se discute en este meneame, todo, menos el microblogging.... <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/lol.gif" alt="xD" title=":lol: xD" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /> <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/lol.gif" alt="xD" title=":lol: xD" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /> <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/lol.gif" alt="xD" title=":lol: xD" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--88190--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>4994587</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>778641</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>6</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--125164--</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>7</meneame:karma>
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		<title>#6 Saramago: Falsa democracia (Port)</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/saramago-falsa-democracia-port/c06#c-6</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 09:48:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:778641-5" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/saramago-falsa-democracia-port/c05#c-5" rel="nofollow">#5</a> Está bien &#34;se demuestra&#34; <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/wink.png" alt=";)" title=";)" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--125164--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>4994586</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>778641</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>5</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--141190--</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>9</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/saramago-falsa-democracia-port</meneame:url>
		<title>#5 Saramago: Falsa democracia (Port)</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/saramago-falsa-democracia-port/c05#c-5</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 09:47:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>La democracia participativa, esa gran falacia... <br />
<br />
<a class="tooltip l:778641" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/saramago-falsa-democracia-port" rel="nofollow">#0</a> Si aún puedes, yo cambiaría el término &#34;se demuestra&#34; en la entradilla por el de &#34;opina&#34;...</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--141190--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>4994572</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>778641</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>4</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--88190--</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>1</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>15</meneame:karma>
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		<title>#4 Saramago: Falsa democracia (Port)</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/saramago-falsa-democracia-port/c04#c-4</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 09:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--88190--</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:778641-2" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/saramago-falsa-democracia-port/c02#c-2" rel="nofollow">#2</a> Glups! Hecho, gracias mil <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/smiley.png" alt=":-)" title=":-)" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /><br />
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jajaja mierda, en el comentario ya no puedo, hoygan!! <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/lol.gif" alt="xD" title=":lol: xD" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /> <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/lol.gif" alt="xD" title=":lol: xD" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /> <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/lol.gif" alt="xD" title=":lol: xD" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--88190--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>4994571</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>778641</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>3</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--125164--</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>7</meneame:karma>
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		<title>#3 Saramago: Falsa democracia (Port)</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/saramago-falsa-democracia-port/c03#c-3</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 09:40:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--125164--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/saramago-falsa-democracia-port/c03#c-3</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>:alaba: :alaba: groso!</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--125164--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>4994564</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>778641</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>2</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--155277--</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>1</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>15</meneame:karma>
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		<title>#2 Saramago: Falsa democracia (Port)</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/saramago-falsa-democracia-port/c02#c-2</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 09:38:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--155277--</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip l:778641" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/saramago-falsa-democracia-port" rel="nofollow">#0</a>  Edito. Mira a ver si puedes cambiar en el comentario &#34;escoje&#34; por &#34;escoge&#34;<br />
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Con el contenido estoy totalmente de acuerdo.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--155277--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>4994555</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>778641</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>1</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--88190--</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>7</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>78</meneame:karma>
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		<title>#1 Saramago: Falsa democracia (Port)</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/saramago-falsa-democracia-port/c01#c-1</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 09:35:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--88190--</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Ahí va la traducción (más o menos):<br />
<br />
Todo se discute en este mundo, menos una única cosa que no se discute: la democracia. La democracia está ahí como si fuese una especie de altar del que se ya no se esperan milagros pero que está ahí como una referencia. Y nadie se da cuenta de que la democracia en la que vivimos está secuestrada, condicionada, amputada porque el poder del ciudadano, de cada uno de nosotros, se limita en la esfera política a tirar un gobierno que no nos gusta a poner otro que tal vez nos guste, nada más. <strong>Las grandes decisiones son tomadas en otra esfera</strong>, todos sabemos cuál: las grandes organizaciones financieras internacionales, fmi, omc, bancos mundiales, ocde, todo eso: <strong>ningún de esos organismos es democrático</strong>. <br />
<br />
Por eso no podemos continuar hablando de democracia si aquellos que efectivamente gobiernan el mundo no son elegidos democráticamente por el pueblo <strong>¿quién escoje los representantes de los paises en esas organizaciones? ¿los pueblos? No</strong>. ¿Dónde está entonces la democracia?</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--88190--</strong></p>]]></description>
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