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		<title>#42 La OTAN calcula que España ya ha llegado al 2% del PIB en gasto en defensa</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Me vas a ignorar?? gracias, gracias, de verdad !!</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Casiopeo</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:user>Harkon</meneame:user>
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		<title>#41 La OTAN calcula que España ya ha llegado al 2% del PIB en gasto en defensa</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c041#c-41</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2025 07:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Harkon</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:4091222-40" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c040#c-40" rel="nofollow">#40</a> Tú sí que das pereza, que ni tienes nivel ni capacidad argumentativa.<br />
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Haztelo mirar en el ignore una temporadita a ver si te quitas ese lavado de cerebro <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/wink.png" alt=";)" title=";)" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Harkon</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:order>40</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Casiopeo</meneame:user>
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		<title>#40 La OTAN calcula que España ya ha llegado al 2% del PIB en gasto en defensa</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2025 06:58:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Casiopeo</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:4091222-39" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c039#c-39" rel="nofollow">#39</a> ZZZZZzzzzzzZZZZZZZ</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Casiopeo</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:user>Harkon</meneame:user>
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		<title>#39 La OTAN calcula que España ya ha llegado al 2% del PIB en gasto en defensa</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c039#c-39</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2025 06:55:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Harkon</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c039#c-39</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:4091222-38" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c038#c-38" rel="nofollow">#38</a> Traducción = ya no tienes argumentos y recurrres a ataques ad-hominem<br />
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Todo dicho<br />
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De nada</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Harkon</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:user>Casiopeo</meneame:user>
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		<title>#38 La OTAN calcula que España ya ha llegado al 2% del PIB en gasto en defensa</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c038#c-38</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2025 06:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Casiopeo</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c038#c-38</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:4091222-37" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c037#c-37" rel="nofollow">#37</a> Eres muy pesao, pero mucho.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Casiopeo</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<title>#37 La OTAN calcula que España ya ha llegado al 2% del PIB en gasto en defensa</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c037#c-37</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2025 06:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Harkon</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c037#c-37</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:4091222-36" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c036#c-36" rel="nofollow">#36</a> La web de la OTAN que es? <br />
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Grok es una mera herramienta con cero subjetividad personal interpretativa de izquierdas, más bien lo contrario, se basa en lo que está escrito por la propia OTAN, sin entrar en &#34;opiniones&#34;, para que no puedas decir quie es la interpretación de alguien derechas o izquierdas, los hechos son que la OTAN en su propia web y en sus propias redes deja claro lo que está firmado y hasta una IA lo deja claro.<br />
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Que luego tú puedes opinar &#34;oye es que Sánchez no lo va a cumplir aunque lo haya firmado&#34;, perfecto, opinamos distinto porque precisamente ha cumplido el 2% firmado por Rajoy en 2024, pero firmado con la OTAN, está. Así que no me cuentes películas, mentiras LAS TUYAS y lo peor es que niegas la realidad delante de tus ojos demostrando un sectarismo nivel de las de hace 2000 años con un cerebor absolutamente lavado que es para que te lo hagas mirar.<br />
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FIN</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Harkon</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:user>Casiopeo</meneame:user>
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		<title>#36 La OTAN calcula que España ya ha llegado al 2% del PIB en gasto en defensa</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c036#c-36</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2025 06:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Casiopeo</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c036#c-36</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:4091222-35" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c035#c-35" rel="nofollow">#35</a> a Grok, ahora es el Oráculo de Delfos.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Casiopeo</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<title>#35 La OTAN calcula que España ya ha llegado al 2% del PIB en gasto en defensa</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c035#c-35</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2025 21:39:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Harkon</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c035#c-35</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:4091222-34" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c034#c-34" rel="nofollow">#34</a> Pregeuntado a Grok<br />
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<i><b>Sí, Pedro Sánchez firmó la Declaración de La Haya de la OTAN (25/06/2025), que compromete a los aliados a invertir el 5% del PIB en defensa para 2035 (3,5% en requisitos básicos y hasta 1,5% en seguridad relacionada), con planes anuales y revisión en 2029. El texto no menciona excepciones para España.</b></i><br />
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<a href="https://x.com/grok/status/1945216096648486918" title="x.com/grok/status/1945216096648486918" rel="nofollow">x.com/grok/status/1945216096648486918</a><br />
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Repreguntado de nuevo<br />
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<i><b>Aunque Sánchez dijo en el Congreso que &#34;en la OTAN nunca se firma nada&#34; (refiriéndose a compromisos no vinculantes legalmente), firmó la Declaración de La Haya el 25/06/2025, que compromete al 5% del PIB en defensa para 2035. Es un acuerdo político, no tratado, pero firmado. Fuentes: NATO, EL PAÍS, ABC.</b></i><br />
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<a href="https://x.com/grok/status/1945240252010139812" title="x.com/grok/status/1945240252010139812" rel="nofollow">x.com/grok/status/1945240252010139812</a><br />
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De la web de la OTAN:<br />
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<b>The Hague Summit Declaration</b><br />
<i>issued by the NATO Heads of State and Government participating in the meeting of the North Atlantic Council in The Hague 25 June 2025<br />
25 Jun. 2025 -|Press Release 2025&#194;001Issued on 25 Jun. 2025|Last updated: 25 Jun. 2025 09:50<br />
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1. We, the Heads of State and Government of the North Atlantic Alliance, have gathered in The Hague to reaffirm our commitment to NATO, the strongest Alliance in history, and to the transatlantic bond. We reaffirm our ironclad commitment to collective defence as enshrined in Article 5 of the Washington Treaty – that an attack on one is an attack on all. We remain united and steadfast in our resolve to protect our one billion citizens, defend the Alliance, and safeguard our freedom and democracy.<br />
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2. United in the face of profound security threats and challenges, in particular the long- term threat posed by Russia to Euro-Atlantic security and the persistent threat of terrorism,<b> Allies commit to invest 5% of GDP annually on core defence requirements </b>as well as defence-and security-related spending by 2035 to ensure our individual and collective obligations, in accordance with Article 3 of the Washington Treaty. Our investments will ensure we have the forces, capabilities, resources, infrastructure, warfighting readiness, and resilience needed to deter and defend in line with our three core tasks of deterrence and defence, crisis prevention and management, and cooperative security.<br />
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3. <b>Allies agree that this 5% commitment will comprise two essential categories of defence investment. Allies will allocate at least 3.5% of GDP annually based on the agreed definition of NATO defence expenditure by 2035 to resource core defence requirements, and to meet the NATO Capability Targets. Allies agree to submit annual plans showing a credible, incremental path to reach this goal. And Allies will account for up to 1.5% of GDP annually to inter alia protect our critical infrastructure, defend our networks, ensure our civil preparedness and resilience, unleash innovation, and strengthen our defence industrial base. The trajectory and balance of spending under this plan will be reviewed in 2029,</b> in light of the strategic environment and updated Capability Targets. Allies reaffirm their enduring sovereign commitments to provide support to Ukraine, whose security contributes to ours, and, to this end, will include direct contributions towards Ukraine’s defence and its defence industry when calculating Allies’ defence spending.<br />
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4. We reaffirm our shared commitment to rapidly expand transatlantic defence industrial cooperation and to harness emerging technology and the spirit of innovation to advance our collective security. We will work to eliminate defence trade barriers among Allies and will leverage our partnerships to promote defence industrial cooperation.<br />
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5. We express our appreciation for the generous hospitality extended to us by the Kingdom of the Netherlands. We look forward to our next meeting in Türkiye in 2026 followed by a meeting in Albania.</i><br />
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<a href="https://www.nato.int/cps/es/natohq/official_texts_236705.htm" title="www.nato.int/cps/es/natohq/official_texts_236705.htm" rel="nofollow">www.nato.int/cps/es/natohq/official_texts_236705.htm</a><br />
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Del propio twitter de la OTAN<br />
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<b>NATO Allies have agreed to invest 5% of their GDP annually in defence.</b><br />
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<a href="https://x.com/NATO/status/1937861780576838025" title="x.com/NATO/status/1937861780576838025" rel="nofollow">x.com/NATO/status/1937861780576838025</a><br />
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Pero según tú la OTAN miente y grok es podemita o similar<br />
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De nada</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Harkon</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<title>#34 La OTAN calcula que España ya ha llegado al 2% del PIB en gasto en defensa</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c034#c-34</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2025 20:32:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Casiopeo</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c034#c-34</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:4091222-33" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c033#c-33" rel="nofollow">#33</a> mentira sobre mentira, ha firmado el 5 por ciento en la calenturienta imagianción del clan de Galapagar.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Casiopeo</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:user>Harkon</meneame:user>
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		<title>#33 La OTAN calcula que España ya ha llegado al 2% del PIB en gasto en defensa</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c033#c-33</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2025 17:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Harkon</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c033#c-33</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:4091222-1" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c01#c-1" rel="nofollow">#1</a> Pues no se nota ese pie en pared, precisamente ha llegado porque lo aprobó Sánchez en Abril aumentando el gasto en 10.400 millones sacados de 1000 millones derivados de Educación, 300 de ciencia, quitar la financiación a plan corresponsables, y 3000 millones de fondos de financiación de CCAA que bien podrían ir a prevención y gestión de incendios.<br />
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Luego va y firma el 5% para el 2035<br />
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Menudo pie en pared, a mi me parece un culo contra la polla de la OTAN</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Harkon</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:user>R2dC</meneame:user>
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		<title>#32 La OTAN calcula que España ya ha llegado al 2% del PIB en gasto en defensa</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c032#c-32</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2025 16:00:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>R2dC</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c032#c-32</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:4091222-2" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c02#c-2" rel="nofollow">#2</a> El perro va ha hacer de trilero con las partidas presupuestarias y nadie va a notar la diferencia cuando lleguemos a esos objetivos que dicen que tenemos que cumplir.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>R2dC</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>20</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa</meneame:url>
		<title>#31 La OTAN calcula que España ya ha llegado al 2% del PIB en gasto en defensa</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c031#c-31</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2025 12:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>HeilHynkel</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c031#c-31</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:4091222-30" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c030#c-30" rel="nofollow">#30</a> <br />
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La cosa de peinar canas. <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/lol.gif" alt="xD" title=":lol: xD" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>HeilHynkel</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:order>30</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>MoñecoTeDrapo</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>1</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>31</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa</meneame:url>
		<title>#30 La OTAN calcula que España ya ha llegado al 2% del PIB en gasto en defensa</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c030#c-30</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2025 12:54:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>MoñecoTeDrapo</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c030#c-30</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:4091222-29" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c029#c-29" rel="nofollow">#29</a> ¡Malditos minidracónidos! <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/ffu.png" alt=":ffu:" title=":ffu:" width="23" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /> <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/troll.png" alt=":troll:" title=":troll:" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>MoñecoTeDrapo</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>43396418</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>4091222</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>29</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>HeilHynkel</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>20</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa</meneame:url>
		<title>#29 La OTAN calcula que España ya ha llegado al 2% del PIB en gasto en defensa</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c029#c-29</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2025 12:50:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>HeilHynkel</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c029#c-29</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:4091222-22" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c022#c-22" rel="nofollow">#22</a> <br />
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Y te han puesto un trozo de código COBOL. <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/grin.png" alt=":-D" title=":-D" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>HeilHynkel</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:order>28</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>ChatGPT</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>10</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa</meneame:url>
		<title>#28 La OTAN calcula que España ya ha llegado al 2% del PIB en gasto en defensa</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c028#c-28</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2025 12:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>ChatGPT</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c028#c-28</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:4091222-27" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c027#c-27" rel="nofollow">#27</a> me la envaino.<br />
Gracias</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>ChatGPT</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:order>27</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>MoñecoTeDrapo</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>1</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>21</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa</meneame:url>
		<title>#27 La OTAN calcula que España ya ha llegado al 2% del PIB en gasto en defensa</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c027#c-27</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2025 12:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>MoñecoTeDrapo</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c027#c-27</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:4091222-26" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c026#c-26" rel="nofollow">#26</a> Pues es para seguir las recomendaciones de ISO y no ser la &#34;excepción ibérica&#34; que tanto nos mola pero que tantos quebraderos de cabeza da a la larga. En este caso, para evitar malentendidos entre países que escribían por ejemplo, la misma cifra, unos como 123.456 y otros como 123,456. Lo explica la RAE en la entrada que he enlazado antes.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>MoñecoTeDrapo</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>43396139</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>4091222</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>26</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>ChatGPT</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>10</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa</meneame:url>
		<title>#26 La OTAN calcula que España ya ha llegado al 2% del PIB en gasto en defensa</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c026#c-26</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2025 12:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>ChatGPT</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c026#c-26</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:4091222-4" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c04#c-4" rel="nofollow">#4</a> y a qué vienen esas recomendaciones nuevas, cambios que nadie pide? Es para que parezca que hacen algo?</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>ChatGPT</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>43396128</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:order>25</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>ChatGPT</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>1</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>16</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa</meneame:url>
		<title>#25 La OTAN calcula que España ya ha llegado al 2% del PIB en gasto en defensa</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c025#c-25</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2025 12:04:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>ChatGPT</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c025#c-25</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:4091222-8" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c08#c-8" rel="nofollow">#8</a> sería la primera vez. Desde que derogó la ley mordaza no ha roto una promesa</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>ChatGPT</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>43396123</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:order>24</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Jemomo</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>1</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>20</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa</meneame:url>
		<title>#24 La OTAN calcula que España ya ha llegado al 2% del PIB en gasto en defensa</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c024#c-24</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2025 12:03:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jemomo</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c024#c-24</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:4091222-12" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c012#c-12" rel="nofollow">#12</a> Creo que no has entendido el comentario.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Jemomo</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:order>23</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>ChatGPT</meneame:user>
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		<meneame:karma>10</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa</meneame:url>
		<title>#23 La OTAN calcula que España ya ha llegado al 2% del PIB en gasto en defensa</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c023#c-23</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2025 12:03:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>ChatGPT</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c023#c-23</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>Si en gasto de defensa cuentas cosas como las residencias de vacaciones que existen para militares… pues seguro que sí. Aunque no se como ayuda eso a la “defensa”</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>ChatGPT</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:order>22</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>MoñecoTeDrapo</meneame:user>
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		<meneame:karma>11</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa</meneame:url>
		<title>#22 La OTAN calcula que España ya ha llegado al 2% del PIB en gasto en defensa</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c022#c-22</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2025 11:56:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>MoñecoTeDrapo</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c022#c-22</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:4091222-21" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c021#c-21" rel="nofollow">#21</a> Pero estamos en 2025, viajero del tiempo <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/grin.png" alt=":-D" title=":-D" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>MoñecoTeDrapo</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>43395947</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:order>21</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>HeilHynkel</meneame:user>
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		<meneame:karma>20</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa</meneame:url>
		<title>#21 La OTAN calcula que España ya ha llegado al 2% del PIB en gasto en defensa</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c021#c-21</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2025 11:32:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>HeilHynkel</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c021#c-21</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:4091222-19" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c019#c-19" rel="nofollow">#19</a> <br />
<br />
Es que eso no se podía saber en 1959. <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/roll.gif" alt=":roll:" title=":roll:" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>HeilHynkel</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>43395943</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:order>20</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>bibubibu</meneame:user>
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		<meneame:karma>7</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa</meneame:url>
		<title>#20 La OTAN calcula que España ya ha llegado al 2% del PIB en gasto en defensa</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c020#c-20</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2025 11:31:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>bibubibu</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c020#c-20</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>Pues perfecto, ya hemos cumplido con creces. Ni un duro más a los mierdas usanos.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>bibubibu</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>43395935</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:order>19</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>MoñecoTeDrapo</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>11</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa</meneame:url>
		<title>#19 La OTAN calcula que España ya ha llegado al 2% del PIB en gasto en defensa</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c019#c-19</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2025 11:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>MoñecoTeDrapo</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c019#c-19</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:4091222-17" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c017#c-17" rel="nofollow">#17</a> el &#34;punto&#34; es que ya no se debe usar ni punto ni coma para los miles. Cosas nuevas, pero así se pueden evitar confusiones internacionales. <br />
PD: Para las separación decimal puedes usar, entre el punto y a la coma, el símbolo que sea habitual en tu país (Todo según las recomendaciones de la RAE, que están basadas en normas ISO)</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>MoñecoTeDrapo</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>43395897</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>4091222</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>18</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>mente_en_desarrollo</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>1</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>22</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa</meneame:url>
		<title>#18 La OTAN calcula que España ya ha llegado al 2% del PIB en gasto en defensa</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c018#c-18</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2025 11:23:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>mente_en_desarrollo</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c018#c-18</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:4091222-12" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c012#c-12" rel="nofollow">#12</a> Aunque no lo creas, lo de perro (especialmente lo de &#34;muy perro él&#34;), lo decía como sinónimo de astuto.<br />
<br />
Y lo de Perro con mayúsculas, como reivindicación (por el meme que puso el PSOE de &#34;más sabe el Perro Santxe por Perro que por Santxe&#34;) con lo que convirtieron un insulto de la derecha, en un meme divertido (es decir, hicieron una grandísima jugada).<br />
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De hecho, ya he comentado alguna vez por aquí que me siento impuro de lo que me obligan a defender al PSOE y a su secretario general por las gilipolleces que le achacan, que yo siempre he estado más cómodo atacándolos (se pueden ver en mi historial ambas cosas).</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>mente_en_desarrollo</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:user>HeilHynkel</meneame:user>
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		<meneame:karma>20</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa</meneame:url>
		<title>#17 La OTAN calcula que España ya ha llegado al 2% del PIB en gasto en defensa</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c017#c-17</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2025 11:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>HeilHynkel</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c017#c-17</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:4091222-15" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c015#c-15" rel="nofollow">#15</a> <br />
<br />
Si defines la <i>coma</i> como separador de decimales, automáticamente se cambia a <i>punto</i> la de los miles. <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/lol.gif" alt="xD" title=":lol: xD" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /> <br />
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¡qué cosas hacía la gente de la antigüedad! Mira que eran listos <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/roll.gif" alt=":roll:" title=":roll:" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>HeilHynkel</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:order>16</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>mancebador</meneame:user>
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		<meneame:karma>43</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa</meneame:url>
		<title>#16 La OTAN calcula que España ya ha llegado al 2% del PIB en gasto en defensa</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c016#c-16</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2025 11:21:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>mancebador</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c016#c-16</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:4091222-12" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c012#c-12" rel="nofollow">#12</a> Igual debería aprender a distinguir entre insulto e ironía.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>mancebador</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:order>15</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>MoñecoTeDrapo</meneame:user>
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		<meneame:karma>11</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa</meneame:url>
		<title>#15 La OTAN calcula que España ya ha llegado al 2% del PIB en gasto en defensa</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c015#c-15</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2025 11:19:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>MoñecoTeDrapo</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c015#c-15</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:4091222-10" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c010#c-10" rel="nofollow">#10</a> <i>¿Qué pacha boca?</i> <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/grin.png" alt=":-D" title=":-D" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /><br />
<a href="https://www.rae.es/ortografía/los-números-enteros-y-el-separador-de-millares" title="www.rae.es/ortografía/los-números-enteros-y-el-separador-de-millares" rel="nofollow">www.rae.es/ortografía/los-números-enteros-y-el-separador-de-millares</a><br />
<br />
PD: Una cosa es el separador de millares y otra el separador decimal.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>MoñecoTeDrapo</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:user>tierramar</meneame:user>
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		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa</meneame:url>
		<title>#14 La OTAN calcula que España ya ha llegado al 2% del PIB en gasto en defensa</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c014#c-14</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2025 11:18:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>tierramar</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c014#c-14</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://www.meneame.net/story/gasto-militar-espanol-2024-fue-62-126-millones-euros-1-130-3-46" title="www.meneame.net/story/gasto-militar-espanol-2024-fue-62-126-millones-euros-1-130-3-46" rel="nofollow">www.meneame.net/story/gasto-militar-espanol-2024-fue-62-126-millones-e</a> <br />
 <b>El gasto militar español en 2024 fue de 62.126 millones de euros, 1.130 € por habitante, el 3’46 % del PIB<br />
</b></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>tierramar</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:user>Ovlak</meneame:user>
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		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa</meneame:url>
		<title>#13 La OTAN calcula que España ya ha llegado al 2% del PIB en gasto en defensa</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c013#c-13</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2025 11:18:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Ovlak</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c013#c-13</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a href="/search?w=comments&#38;q=%23_8&#38;o=date">#_8</a> El Perro nunca dijo que no fuéramos a llevar al 2%. De nada.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Ovlak</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:user>argonitran</meneame:user>
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		<meneame:karma>10</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa</meneame:url>
		<title>#12 La OTAN calcula que España ya ha llegado al 2% del PIB en gasto en defensa</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c012#c-12</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2025 11:17:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>argonitran</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c012#c-12</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:4091222-2" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c02#c-2" rel="nofollow">#2</a> Negativo por insultar. En serio no puedes decir lo mismo sin insultar? Tu insulto invalida tu opinión tengas razón o no.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>argonitran</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:user>HeilHynkel</meneame:user>
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		<meneame:karma>20</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa</meneame:url>
		<title>#11 La OTAN calcula que España ya ha llegado al 2% del PIB en gasto en defensa</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c011#c-11</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2025 11:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>HeilHynkel</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c011#c-11</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:4091222-10" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c010#c-10" rel="nofollow">#10</a> <br />
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01  MY-VAR PIC 9(3)V99.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>HeilHynkel</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<title>#10 La OTAN calcula que España ya ha llegado al 2% del PIB en gasto en defensa</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c010#c-10</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2025 11:08:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>reivaj01</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c010#c-10</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:4091222-4" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c04#c-4" rel="nofollow">#4</a> ENVIRONMENT DIVISION.<br />
CONFIGURATION SECTION.<br />
SPECIAL-NAMES.<br />
    DECIMAL-POINT IS COMMA.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>reivaj01</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:order>9</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>HeilHynkel</meneame:user>
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		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa</meneame:url>
		<title>#9 La OTAN calcula que España ya ha llegado al 2% del PIB en gasto en defensa</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c09#c-9</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2025 11:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>HeilHynkel</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c09#c-9</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:4091222-7" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c07#c-7" rel="nofollow">#7</a> <br />
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<i>Con oculto me refiero a que no está en el presupuesto del ministerio de defensa.</i><br />
<br />
Te había entendido a la primera. La pasta sale de industria y de otras partidas.  Pero vamos, que esos números están ahí para el que quiera mirarlos, otra cosa es que la prensa se haga la despistada.<br />
<br />
No obstante, desde hace mucho, esas cositas tienen algo de trampa, porque los barcos de la Armada se fabrican aquí, con lo que parte del dinero que se gasta, revierte en España vía trabajos, impuestos, ... así que salen más económicos que si se compran fuera como hacen otros.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>HeilHynkel</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:user>--716475--</meneame:user>
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		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa</meneame:url>
		<title>#8 La OTAN calcula que España ya ha llegado al 2% del PIB en gasto en defensa</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c08#c-8</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2025 11:06:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--716475--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c08#c-8</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>Negativo por bulo. No creo que Sanchez nos haya mentido</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--716475--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:order>7</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>mente_en_desarrollo</meneame:user>
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		<meneame:karma>39</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa</meneame:url>
		<title>#7 La OTAN calcula que España ya ha llegado al 2% del PIB en gasto en defensa</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c07#c-7</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2025 11:03:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>mente_en_desarrollo</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c07#c-7</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:4091222-5" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c05#c-5" rel="nofollow">#5</a> Con oculto me refiero a que no está en el presupuesto del ministerio de defensa.<br />
<br />
Otro ejemplo sería la casa real, que usa soldados y material militar pero los gastos se imputan a presidencia, justicia y relaciones con las cortes.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>mente_en_desarrollo</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:order>6</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--716475--</meneame:user>
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		<title>#6 La OTAN calcula que España ya ha llegado al 2% del PIB en gasto en defensa</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c06#c-6</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2025 11:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--716475--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c06#c-6</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:4091222-3" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c03#c-3" rel="nofollow">#3</a> Por el uso, cambiaran la norma, y otra vez quedara claro que son solo unos señores que deciden sobre normas artificiales.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--716475--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:user>HeilHynkel</meneame:user>
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		<title>#5 La OTAN calcula que España ya ha llegado al 2% del PIB en gasto en defensa</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c05#c-5</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2025 11:00:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>HeilHynkel</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c05#c-5</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:4091222-2" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c02#c-2" rel="nofollow">#2</a> <br />
<br />
Oculto, oculto ... lo que se dice oculto ... era voz populi, otra cosa es que muchos se hicieran los tontos. A ver si se piensa la gente que las fragatas F-100, los Eurofighters o los S-80 salen del presupuesto de defensa exclusivamente.<br />
<br />
Es como si dices que los gastos de la casa real son los 8 millones que se le asignan pa gastods varios.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>HeilHynkel</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:user>MoñecoTeDrapo</meneame:user>
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		<title>#4 La OTAN calcula que España ya ha llegado al 2% del PIB en gasto en defensa</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c04#c-4</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2025 10:59:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>MoñecoTeDrapo</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c04#c-4</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:4091222-3" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c03#c-3" rel="nofollow">#3</a> también dice que no hay que poner punto en los miles, ni coma,  sino un espacio. <br />
Son &#34;recomendaciones&#34; nuevas. A los usuarios les cuestan los cambios.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>MoñecoTeDrapo</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:user>cocococo</meneame:user>
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		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa</meneame:url>
		<title>#3 La OTAN calcula que España ya ha llegado al 2% del PIB en gasto en defensa</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c03#c-3</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2025 10:52:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>cocococo</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c03#c-3</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>[Usuario deshabilitado]</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>cocococo</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:order>2</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>mente_en_desarrollo</meneame:user>
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		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa</meneame:url>
		<title>#2 La OTAN calcula que España ya ha llegado al 2% del PIB en gasto en defensa</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c02#c-2</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2025 10:51:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>mente_en_desarrollo</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c02#c-2</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>Siempre hemos tenido gasto en defensa oculto en otros ministerios, se lleva diciendo de siempre.<br />
<br />
Personalmente, no me extrañaría que el Perro, muy perro él, dijese que España no iba a cumplir (quedando muy bien con su electorado), pero luego llegar &#34;la revisión&#34;, y entregar un documento en la OTAN con el gasto oculto y decirles &#34;nosotros cumplimos&#34;.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>mente_en_desarrollo</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:user>Casiopeo</meneame:user>
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		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa</meneame:url>
		<title>#1 La OTAN calcula que España ya ha llegado al 2% del PIB en gasto en defensa</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c01#c-1</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2025 10:49:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Casiopeo</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/otan-calcula-espana-ya-ha-llegado-2-pib-gasto-defensa/c01#c-1</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>Pues pié en pared.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Casiopeo</strong></p>]]></description>
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