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		<meneame:user>mariopg</meneame:user>
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		<title>#10 Kishore Mahbubani, diplomático y académico: &#34;Aferrarse a la OTAN, en última instancia, debilita a Europa&#34;</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/kishore-mahbubani-diplomatico-academico-aferrarse-otan-ultima/c010#c-10</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2025 20:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>mariopg</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>que eeuu se salga de la otan es la única manera de que pueda unirse a rusia y planear como repartirse el mundo, y su único escollo es europa, sino, ya lo habrían hecho</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>mariopg</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>42569648</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>4042883</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>9</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>atrompicones</meneame:user>
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		<meneame:karma>22</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/kishore-mahbubani-diplomatico-academico-aferrarse-otan-ultima</meneame:url>
		<title>#9 Kishore Mahbubani, diplomático y académico: &#34;Aferrarse a la OTAN, en última instancia, debilita a Europa&#34;</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/kishore-mahbubani-diplomatico-academico-aferrarse-otan-ultima/c09#c-9</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2025 19:26:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>atrompicones</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/kishore-mahbubani-diplomatico-academico-aferrarse-otan-ultima/c09#c-9</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>De un modo u otro es una guerra militar y económica perdida de antemano (para todos). Razonablemente los únicos motivos del empecinamiento de algunos políticos europeos son sus intereses personales. Vuelta al pasado de la Historia.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>atrompicones</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>42569609</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>4042883</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>8</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>atrompicones</meneame:user>
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		<meneame:karma>22</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/kishore-mahbubani-diplomatico-academico-aferrarse-otan-ultima</meneame:url>
		<title>#8 Kishore Mahbubani, diplomático y académico: &#34;Aferrarse a la OTAN, en última instancia, debilita a Europa&#34;</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/kishore-mahbubani-diplomatico-academico-aferrarse-otan-ultima/c08#c-8</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2025 19:16:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>atrompicones</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/kishore-mahbubani-diplomatico-academico-aferrarse-otan-ultima/c08#c-8</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>Zbigniew Brzezinski Consejero de Seguridad Nacional con el presidente Carter. Brzezinski chocó desde el principio con el secretario de Estado Cyrus Vance, representando los papeles contrapuestos del halcón (Brzezinski) y la paloma (Vance). Escribio el libro:<br />
<br />
<i>&#34;El gran tablero mundial. <b>La supremacía estadounidense y sus imperativos geoestratégicos</b>&#34;</i></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>atrompicones</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>42569602</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:order>7</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>atrompicones</meneame:user>
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		<meneame:karma>22</meneame:karma>
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		<title>#7 Kishore Mahbubani, diplomático y académico: &#34;Aferrarse a la OTAN, en última instancia, debilita a Europa&#34;</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/kishore-mahbubani-diplomatico-academico-aferrarse-otan-ultima/c07#c-7</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2025 19:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>atrompicones</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Hace 30 años a sabiendas.<br />
<br />
<i>&#34;Urge reconocer que la ampliación de la OTAN, aunque tenga en cuenta y trate de paliar las inquietudes rusas, creará nuevos problemas. El más importante de ellos será el estatus de los países bálticos y de Ucrania.&#34;</i> Zbigniew Brzezinski. 1 de febrero de 1995.<br />
<br />
<a href="https://www.politicaexterior.com/articulo/la-nueva-rusia-y-la-ampliacion-de-la-otan/" title="www.politicaexterior.com/articulo/la-nueva-rusia-y-la-ampliacion-de-la-otan/" rel="nofollow">www.politicaexterior.com/articulo/la-nueva-rusia-y-la-ampliacion-de-la</a></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>atrompicones</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>42568994</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:order>6</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>suppiluliuma</meneame:user>
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		<meneame:karma>11</meneame:karma>
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		<title>#6 Kishore Mahbubani, diplomático y académico: &#34;Aferrarse a la OTAN, en última instancia, debilita a Europa&#34;</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/kishore-mahbubani-diplomatico-academico-aferrarse-otan-ultima/c06#c-6</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2025 17:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>suppiluliuma</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><i>En 1989, el secretario de Estado James Baker aseguró al presidente ruso, Mijaíl Gorbachov, que la OTAN no avanzaría “ni una pulgada” hacia el Este</i><br />
<br />
¡Coño, ya empezamos <a href="https://www.rbth.com/international/2014/10/16/mikhail_gorbachev_i_am_against_all_walls_40673.html" title="www.rbth.com/international/2014/10/16/mikhail_gorbachev_i_am_against_all_walls_40673.html" rel="nofollow">con un bulo</a>!<br />
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<i><b>RBTH</b>: One of the key issues that has arisen in connection with the events in Ukraine is NATO expansion into the East. Do you get the feeling that your Western partners lied to you when they were developing their future plans in Eastern Europe? Why didn’t you insist that the promises made to you – particularly U.S. Secretary of State James Baker’s promise that NATO would not expand into the East – be legally encoded? <b>I will quote Baker: “NATO will not move one inch further east.</b>”<br />
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<b>M.G.: The topic of “NATO expansion” was not discussed at all, and it wasn’t brought up in those years. I say this with full responsibility</b>. Not a singe Eastern European country raised the issue, not even after the Warsaw Pact ceased to exist in 1991. Western leaders didn’t bring it up, either. <b>Another issue we brought up was discussed: making sure that NATO’s military structures would not advance and that additional armed forces from the alliance would not be deployed on the territory of the then-GDR after German reunification. Baker’s statement, mentioned in your question, was made in that context</b>. Kohl and [German Vice Chancellor Hans-Dietrich] Genscher talked about it.</i></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>suppiluliuma</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>42568813</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:order>5</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Mauro_Nacho</meneame:user>
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		<meneame:karma>28</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/kishore-mahbubani-diplomatico-academico-aferrarse-otan-ultima</meneame:url>
		<title>#5 Kishore Mahbubani, diplomático y académico: &#34;Aferrarse a la OTAN, en última instancia, debilita a Europa&#34;</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/kishore-mahbubani-diplomatico-academico-aferrarse-otan-ultima/c05#c-5</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2025 16:23:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mauro_Nacho</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/kishore-mahbubani-diplomatico-academico-aferrarse-otan-ultima/c05#c-5</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:4042883-2" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/kishore-mahbubani-diplomatico-academico-aferrarse-otan-ultima/c02#c-2" rel="nofollow">#2</a> Esta guerra como muchas guerras es una vergüenza, como tratar de continuar la guerra a toda  costa y no  tratar de buscar una paz. El hecho no tratar de encuentros con Putín es un gran error, para muchos es monstruoso, pero hay que parar la sangría. <br />
Y lo que quiere hacer Europa de un Plan de 800.000 millones de Euros es una locura. Rusia no tiene ejército para invadir Europa. Para hacer con 100.000 km2 ha tardado 3 años.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Mauro_Nacho</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>42568726</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>4042883</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>4</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>ElenaCoures1</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>7</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/kishore-mahbubani-diplomatico-academico-aferrarse-otan-ultima</meneame:url>
		<title>#4 Kishore Mahbubani, diplomático y académico: &#34;Aferrarse a la OTAN, en última instancia, debilita a Europa&#34;</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/kishore-mahbubani-diplomatico-academico-aferrarse-otan-ultima/c04#c-4</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2025 16:06:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>ElenaCoures1</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/kishore-mahbubani-diplomatico-academico-aferrarse-otan-ultima/c04#c-4</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:4042883-2" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/kishore-mahbubani-diplomatico-academico-aferrarse-otan-ultima/c02#c-2" rel="nofollow">#2</a> Es de los que justifica la invasión rusa de Ucrania como inevitable, como tú dices<br />
Y va por ahí diciendo que tenemos que aprender a coexistir con Rusia en los próximos años<br />
Lo único en lo que le doy algo de razón es que el paraguas de USA nos ha hecho invertir poco (no gastar, sino invertir) en nuestra industria de defensa pensando que ya estábamos protegidos y ha ocurrido lo impensable; un presidente totalmente cateto en política exterior al que no le importan los aliados del pasado</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>ElenaCoures1</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>42568665</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:order>3</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>ur_quan_master</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>11</meneame:karma>
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		<title>#3 Kishore Mahbubani, diplomático y académico: &#34;Aferrarse a la OTAN, en última instancia, debilita a Europa&#34;</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/kishore-mahbubani-diplomatico-academico-aferrarse-otan-ultima/c03#c-3</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2025 15:53:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>ur_quan_master</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/kishore-mahbubani-diplomatico-academico-aferrarse-otan-ultima/c03#c-3</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>Seducir o presionar... Por no decir <strong>sobornar</strong></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>ur_quan_master</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>42568651</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:order>2</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>mancebador</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>1</meneame:votes>
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		<title>#2 Kishore Mahbubani, diplomático y académico: &#34;Aferrarse a la OTAN, en última instancia, debilita a Europa&#34;</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/kishore-mahbubani-diplomatico-academico-aferrarse-otan-ultima/c02#c-2</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2025 15:51:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>mancebador</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/kishore-mahbubani-diplomatico-academico-aferrarse-otan-ultima/c02#c-2</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>Traducción;<br />
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Al pobre Putin, los malvados neoconservadores de la OTAN no le dejaron otra alternativa de invadir paises soberanos.<br />
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Que poca vergüenza tiene gente como este tipo.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>mancebador</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>42568635</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:order>1</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>comunerodecastilla</meneame:user>
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		<title>#1 Kishore Mahbubani, diplomático y académico: &#34;Aferrarse a la OTAN, en última instancia, debilita a Europa&#34;</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/kishore-mahbubani-diplomatico-academico-aferrarse-otan-ultima/c01#c-1</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2025 15:49:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>comunerodecastilla</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Una perogrullada que sin embargo otanejos y neonazis no alcanzan a entender, mientras tanto la UE cada vez es mas irrelevante y sus ciudadanos sin ser conscientes cuan cerca están del precipicio.<br />
<img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/palm.png" alt=":palm:" title=":palm:" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>comunerodecastilla</strong></p>]]></description>
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