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	<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2006 00:23:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<meneame:comment_id>165156</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>39742</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>17</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>alberto</meneame:user>
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		<meneame:karma>13</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/openoffice.org-finalmente-64-bits</meneame:url>
		<title>#17 OpenOffice.org, finalmente en 64 bits</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/openoffice.org-finalmente-64-bits/c017#c-17</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2006 00:23:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>alberto</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/openoffice.org-finalmente-64-bits/c017#c-17</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>Por cierto, Wine no funciona en amd64 si no es usando chroot..<br />
<br />
De todas formas yo uso Ubuntu 64 y bien, sin problemas excepto ese detalle <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/smiley.png" alt=":-)" title=":-)" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>alberto</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>160305</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>39742</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>16</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>MDman</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>7</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/openoffice.org-finalmente-64-bits</meneame:url>
		<title>#16 OpenOffice.org, finalmente en 64 bits</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/openoffice.org-finalmente-64-bits/c016#c-16</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Sep 2006 11:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>MDman</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/openoffice.org-finalmente-64-bits/c016#c-16</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:39742-6" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/openoffice.org-finalmente-64-bits/c06#c-6" rel="nofollow">#6</a> Pues nada que gracias <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/smiley.png" alt=":-)" title=":-)" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /> , no le busques segundas vueltas.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>MDman</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>160247</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>39742</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>15</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--5867--</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>9</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/openoffice.org-finalmente-64-bits</meneame:url>
		<title>#15 OpenOffice.org, finalmente en 64 bits</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/openoffice.org-finalmente-64-bits/c015#c-15</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Sep 2006 09:49:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--5867--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/openoffice.org-finalmente-64-bits/c015#c-15</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>A ver veo mucha duda en el aire.<br />
<br />
Los 64 bits dan mas rendimiento que los 32 bits, aunque voy a matizarlo para que se entienda. Un software de 32 bits en una plataforma de 64 va mas lento que si el software es tambien de 64 bits, ya que se ejecuta en una especie de emulacion por hardware sin un rendimiento total.<br />
<br />
Los 64 bits manejan candidades mas grandes de informacion en las variables (mas velocidad en cada instruccion), y creo, traen mejor tecnología a bajo nivel (codigo maquina), como algoritmos de procesamiento paralelo aunque esto ultimo no estoy muy seguro de ello. Para poder aprobechar todas las ventajas que se ofrecen, sean cuales sean, hay que adaptar el codigo fuente bien. OpenOffice.org llevaba tiempo intentandose adaptar bien a los 64 bits pero el codigo base era muy dificil de portar ya que llevo viendo que estaban en ello desde hace mucho pero que habia problemas bastante dificiles de salvar. Lo que se hacia hasta ahora necesita de unas librerias de emulacion de 32 bits que ademas de ocupar espacio en disco ralentizan la ejecución aunque no demasiado.<br />
<br />
Y es verdad, tambien para mi lo que más echaba en falta en los 64 bits era openoffice y flash.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--5867--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>159916</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>39742</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>14</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>apt-drink</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>12</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/openoffice.org-finalmente-64-bits</meneame:url>
		<title>#14 OpenOffice.org, finalmente en 64 bits</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/openoffice.org-finalmente-64-bits/c014#c-14</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Sep 2006 21:20:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>apt-drink</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/openoffice.org-finalmente-64-bits/c014#c-14</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:39742-9" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/openoffice.org-finalmente-64-bits/c09#c-9" rel="nofollow">#9</a> amd64 es una arquitectura oficial en Debian desde hace más bien poco. Hay un proyecto llamado Multiarch, pero sinceramente desconozco cómo va su avance...<br />
<br />
Lo ideal sería no tener que utilizar nada de esto, y, en mi caso, eso se producirá en cuanto se libere el plugin de Flash <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/smiley.png" alt=":-)" title=":-)" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>apt-drink</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>159914</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>39742</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>13</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>apt-drink</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>12</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/openoffice.org-finalmente-64-bits</meneame:url>
		<title>#13 OpenOffice.org, finalmente en 64 bits</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/openoffice.org-finalmente-64-bits/c013#c-13</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Sep 2006 21:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>apt-drink</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/openoffice.org-finalmente-64-bits/c013#c-13</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:39742-11" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/openoffice.org-finalmente-64-bits/c011#c-11" rel="nofollow">#11</a> Pues cosas muy a bajo nivel como la aritmética de punteros, que en un caso miden 32 bits y en otro 64.<br />
<br />
<a class="tooltip c:39742-12" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/openoffice.org-finalmente-64-bits/c012#c-12" rel="nofollow">#12</a> Porque OO es un proyecto ENORME.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>apt-drink</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>159908</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>39742</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>12</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>otroqueseborra</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>8</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/openoffice.org-finalmente-64-bits</meneame:url>
		<title>#12 OpenOffice.org, finalmente en 64 bits</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/openoffice.org-finalmente-64-bits/c012#c-12</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Sep 2006 21:16:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>otroqueseborra</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/openoffice.org-finalmente-64-bits/c012#c-12</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>porque tardaron tanto?</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>otroqueseborra</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>159884</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>39742</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>11</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>woopi</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>8</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/openoffice.org-finalmente-64-bits</meneame:url>
		<title>#11 OpenOffice.org, finalmente en 64 bits</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/openoffice.org-finalmente-64-bits/c011#c-11</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Sep 2006 20:51:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>woopi</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/openoffice.org-finalmente-64-bits/c011#c-11</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>Pregunta chorras, porque no soy informático. ¿Por qué no se puede compilar el mismo código existente con el compilador de 64 bits? ¿O no da igual? Gracias de antemano por si alguien responde... Resumiendo: ¿que cambia?</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>woopi</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>159869</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>39742</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>10</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Taikochu</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>16</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/openoffice.org-finalmente-64-bits</meneame:url>
		<title>#10 OpenOffice.org, finalmente en 64 bits</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/openoffice.org-finalmente-64-bits/c010#c-10</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Sep 2006 20:24:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Taikochu</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/openoffice.org-finalmente-64-bits/c010#c-10</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://meneame.net/story/32-bits-es-mejor-que-64" title="meneame.net/story/32-bits-es-mejor-que-64" rel="nofollow">meneame.net/story/32-bits-es-mejor-que-64</a></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Taikochu</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>159867</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>39742</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>9</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--7354--</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>6</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/openoffice.org-finalmente-64-bits</meneame:url>
		<title>#9 OpenOffice.org, finalmente en 64 bits</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/openoffice.org-finalmente-64-bits/c09#c-9</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Sep 2006 20:23:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--7354--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/openoffice.org-finalmente-64-bits/c09#c-9</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>[Usuario deshabilitado]</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--7354--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>159864</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>39742</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>8</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--476--</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>14</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/openoffice.org-finalmente-64-bits</meneame:url>
		<title>#8 OpenOffice.org, finalmente en 64 bits</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/openoffice.org-finalmente-64-bits/c08#c-8</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Sep 2006 20:20:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--476--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/openoffice.org-finalmente-64-bits/c08#c-8</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:39742-5" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/openoffice.org-finalmente-64-bits/c05#c-5" rel="nofollow">#5</a> Imagino que corriendo una aplicación en modo 32 bits no sacarás partido a todo lo que te ofrece una plataforma de 64 bits. Digo <em>imagino</em> porque no lo sé seguro, pero vamos... muchas de las características y optimizaciones de AMD64 no las puedes usar (y esto es seguro :P).<br />
<br />
<a class="tooltip c:39742-7" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/openoffice.org-finalmente-64-bits/c07#c-7" rel="nofollow">#7</a> Además eso... tampoco hablo de rapidez <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/wink.png" alt=";)" title=";)" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--476--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>159860</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>39742</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>7</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>apt-drink</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>12</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/openoffice.org-finalmente-64-bits</meneame:url>
		<title>#7 OpenOffice.org, finalmente en 64 bits</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/openoffice.org-finalmente-64-bits/c07#c-7</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Sep 2006 20:16:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>apt-drink</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/openoffice.org-finalmente-64-bits/c07#c-7</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:39742-5" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/openoffice.org-finalmente-64-bits/c05#c-5" rel="nofollow">#5</a> En Debian por ejemplo la única solución es mantener un chroot separado, y es un desperdicio de espacio en disco, además de no ser muy user-friendly para la gente que no sabe mucho de esto.<br />
<br />
Con &#34;bandera de 64 bits&#34; me refiero precisamente a que todo mi software esté compilado nativamente para 64 bits. Y no, no soy de los que pienso que &#34;64 bits van más rápido que 32&#34; ni nada por el estilo <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/wink.png" alt=";)" title=";)" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>apt-drink</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>159857</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>39742</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>6</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>apt-drink</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>12</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/openoffice.org-finalmente-64-bits</meneame:url>
		<title>#6 OpenOffice.org, finalmente en 64 bits</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/openoffice.org-finalmente-64-bits/c06#c-6</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Sep 2006 20:14:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>apt-drink</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/openoffice.org-finalmente-64-bits/c06#c-6</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:39742-2" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/openoffice.org-finalmente-64-bits/c02#c-2" rel="nofollow">#2</a> ?¿ No sé si he entendido mu bien el comentario <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/confused.png" alt=":-S" title=":-S :S" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>apt-drink</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>159854</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>39742</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>5</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--7354--</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>6</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/openoffice.org-finalmente-64-bits</meneame:url>
		<title>#5 OpenOffice.org, finalmente en 64 bits</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/openoffice.org-finalmente-64-bits/c05#c-5</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Sep 2006 20:12:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--7354--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/openoffice.org-finalmente-64-bits/c05#c-5</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>[Usuario deshabilitado]</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--7354--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>159816</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>39742</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>4</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--476--</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>14</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/openoffice.org-finalmente-64-bits</meneame:url>
		<title>#4 OpenOffice.org, finalmente en 64 bits</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/openoffice.org-finalmente-64-bits/c04#c-4</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Sep 2006 19:07:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--476--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/openoffice.org-finalmente-64-bits/c04#c-4</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>Buena noticia... poco a poco va mejorando el soporte para 64 bits <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/smiley.png" alt=":-)" title=":-)" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--476--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>159780</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>39742</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>3</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Wikier</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>7</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/openoffice.org-finalmente-64-bits</meneame:url>
		<title>#3 OpenOffice.org, finalmente en 64 bits</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/openoffice.org-finalmente-64-bits/c03#c-3</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Sep 2006 18:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Wikier</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/openoffice.org-finalmente-64-bits/c03#c-3</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>Ya está por ahí la rc2: <a href="http://andreeleidenfrost.blogspot.com/2006/09/yeah-openoffice-packages-for-amd64.html" title="andreeleidenfrost.blogspot.com/2006/09/yeah-openoffice-packages-for-amd64.html" rel="nofollow">andreeleidenfrost.blogspot.com/2006/09/yeah-openoffice-packages-for-am</a></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Wikier</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>159746</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>39742</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>2</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>MDman</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>7</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/openoffice.org-finalmente-64-bits</meneame:url>
		<title>#2 OpenOffice.org, finalmente en 64 bits</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/openoffice.org-finalmente-64-bits/c02#c-2</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Sep 2006 18:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>MDman</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/openoffice.org-finalmente-64-bits/c02#c-2</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:39742-1" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/openoffice.org-finalmente-64-bits/c01#c-1" rel="nofollow">#1</a> Ahh, gracias por la informacion, ya me estaba rayando, pensando que las versiones de 64 eran &#34;unoficiales&#34;, pero claro es lo que tu dices.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>MDman</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>159638</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>39742</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>1</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>apt-drink</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>12</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/openoffice.org-finalmente-64-bits</meneame:url>
		<title>#1 OpenOffice.org, finalmente en 64 bits</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/openoffice.org-finalmente-64-bits/c01#c-1</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Sep 2006 15:15:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>apt-drink</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/openoffice.org-finalmente-64-bits/c01#c-1</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>Antes de que alguno ponga el comentario de turno o la vote errónea, NO, lo que han salido con algunas distros de 64 bits hasta ahora no era OpenOffice <em>nativo</em> de 64 bits, sino OpenOffice de 32 bits con librerías de apoyo <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/wink.png" alt=";)" title=";)" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>apt-drink</strong></p>]]></description>
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