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		<meneame:comment_id>39671114</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>3876149</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>26</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Laro__</meneame:user>
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		<title>#26 Siemens Energy (Gamesa) pide el rescate con avales públicos tanto a España como Alemania</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana/c026#c-26</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Nov 2023 00:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Laro__</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana/c026#c-26</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:3876149-5" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana/c05#c-5" rel="nofollow">#5</a> <i>No es un rescate, ni se le parece. Y el estado no tiene que pagar absolutamente nada.</i><br />
<br />
¿De qué me suena eso?  ¿Guindos? ¿Rajoy? ¿Eres tú?</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Laro__</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>39669397</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>3876149</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>25</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Yonny</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>10</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana</meneame:url>
		<title>#25 Siemens Energy (Gamesa) pide el rescate con avales públicos tanto a España como Alemania</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana/c025#c-25</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2023 18:56:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Yonny</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana/c025#c-25</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:3876149-24" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana/c024#c-24" rel="nofollow">#24</a> <br />
No me voy a repetir</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Yonny</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>39669050</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>3876149</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>24</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>alfema</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>9</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana</meneame:url>
		<title>#24 Siemens Energy (Gamesa) pide el rescate con avales públicos tanto a España como Alemania</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana/c024#c-24</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2023 18:05:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>alfema</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana/c024#c-24</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:3876149-5" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana/c05#c-5" rel="nofollow">#5</a> a ver.<br />
<br />
<i> aval<br />
2. m. Obligación que alguien adquiere de hacer aquello a lo que otra persona se ha comprometido, en caso de incumplimiento.</i><br />
<br />
Algo se me ha perdido, por definición si el avalado no paga, lo hace el avalista.<br />
<br />
Por otra parte, ¿qué gana el estado español avalando a la empresa, ¿arriesga dinero sin recibir nada a cambio?, yo vería más factible recibir acciones de la empresa, por lo menos tener una participación y quizás en el futuro venderlas para obtener un beneficio.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>alfema</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>39668192</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>3876149</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>23</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>ochoceros</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>12</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana</meneame:url>
		<title>#23 Siemens Energy (Gamesa) pide el rescate con avales públicos tanto a España como Alemania</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana/c023#c-23</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2023 15:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>ochoceros</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana/c023#c-23</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>¿Y qué % de la empresa van a nacionalizar por esos 15.000 millones? Por menos del 51% que ni se molesten.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>ochoceros</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>39668071</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>3876149</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>22</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--10753--</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>8</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana</meneame:url>
		<title>#22 Siemens Energy (Gamesa) pide el rescate con avales públicos tanto a España como Alemania</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana/c022#c-22</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2023 15:37:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--10753--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana/c022#c-22</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>¿Cuántos MW eólicos dicen que pasarán a manos públicas como compensación por dicho aval? <br />
Nadie avala a cambio de nada…</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--10753--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>39668052</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>3876149</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>21</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Galton</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>9</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana</meneame:url>
		<title>#21 Siemens Energy (Gamesa) pide el rescate con avales públicos tanto a España como Alemania</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana/c021#c-21</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2023 15:35:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Galton</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana/c021#c-21</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:3876149-9" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana/c09#c-9" rel="nofollow">#9</a> A ver... la economía no entra dentro de mi campo de conocimientos...<img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/lol.gif" alt="xD" title=":lol: xD" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" />  respondí primero basándome en que una empresa si pide algo es casi siempre dinero de una forma u otra... y luego me informé un poco... <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/grin.png" alt=":-D" title=":-D" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Galton</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>39667981</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>3876149</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>20</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>aupaatu</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>1</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>20</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana</meneame:url>
		<title>#20 Siemens Energy (Gamesa) pide el rescate con avales públicos tanto a España como Alemania</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana/c020#c-20</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2023 15:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>aupaatu</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana/c020#c-20</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>Lo que o le dieron cuándo era Gamesa se lo daran siendo Siemens.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>aupaatu</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>39667935</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>3876149</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>19</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>mcfgdbbn3</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>2</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>30</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana</meneame:url>
		<title>#19 Siemens Energy (Gamesa) pide el rescate con avales públicos tanto a España como Alemania</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana/c019#c-19</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2023 15:18:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>mcfgdbbn3</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana/c019#c-19</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>Me parece bien, pero:<br />
 - Que los directivos devuelvan el sueldo de los últimos años (al menos una buena parte).<br />
 - Que la administración pública tenga parte de las acciones y poder de decisión en la empresa.<br />
 - Que la administración pueda cobrar dividendos como accionista y vetar deslocalizaciones.<br />
 - Que la marca &#34;Gamesa&#34; no se elimine. <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/troll.png" alt=":troll:" title=":troll:" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /> <a href="/search?w=comments&#38;q=%23troll&#38;o=date">#troll</a><br />
<br />
<a class="tooltip c:3876149-14" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana/c014#c-14" rel="nofollow">#14</a>: Sigue teniendo bastantes centros en España, como Medina del Campo o Ólvega.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>mcfgdbbn3</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>39667914</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>3876149</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>18</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Yonny</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>10</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana</meneame:url>
		<title>#18 Siemens Energy (Gamesa) pide el rescate con avales públicos tanto a España como Alemania</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana/c018#c-18</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2023 15:15:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Yonny</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana/c018#c-18</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:3876149-17" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana/c017#c-17" rel="nofollow">#17</a> <br />
<br />
Vaya, es que avalar a alguien sin activos, no tiene absolutamente nada que ver con avalar a alguien que tiene miles de activos.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Yonny</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>39667899</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>3876149</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>17</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>C00100100</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>6</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana</meneame:url>
		<title>#17 Siemens Energy (Gamesa) pide el rescate con avales públicos tanto a España como Alemania</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana/c017#c-17</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2023 15:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>C00100100</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana/c017#c-17</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:3876149-11" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana/c011#c-11" rel="nofollow">#11</a> tendré mala suerte que jamás he cumplido los requisitos para nada más que la reducción de la cuota de autónomos.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>C00100100</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>39667876</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>3876149</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>16</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Yonny</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>10</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana</meneame:url>
		<title>#16 Siemens Energy (Gamesa) pide el rescate con avales públicos tanto a España como Alemania</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana/c016#c-16</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2023 15:10:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Yonny</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana/c016#c-16</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:3876149-15" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana/c015#c-15" rel="nofollow">#15</a> <br />
Cosa que es casi imposible que suceda cuando tienes suficientes activos repartidos por todo el mundo, para cubrir ese préstamo y 1.000 más similares. Activos no financieros. Pero activos más que suficientes.<br />
<a href="https://es.finance.yahoo.com/quote/ENR.MI/balance-sheet/" title="es.finance.yahoo.com/quote/ENR.MI/balance-sheet/" rel="nofollow">es.finance.yahoo.com/quote/ENR.MI/balance-sheet/</a></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Yonny</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>39667857</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>3876149</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>15</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>woody_alien</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>1</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>23</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana</meneame:url>
		<title>#15 Siemens Energy (Gamesa) pide el rescate con avales públicos tanto a España como Alemania</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana/c015#c-15</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2023 15:08:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>woody_alien</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana/c015#c-15</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:3876149-5" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana/c05#c-5" rel="nofollow">#5</a> <i> el estado no tiene que pagar absolutamente nada.</i><br />
<br />
Siempre y cuando Siemens retorne la deuda, si no es así pagan los avalistas.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>woody_alien</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>39667822</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>3876149</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>14</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>pdpaco</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>6</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana</meneame:url>
		<title>#14 Siemens Energy (Gamesa) pide el rescate con avales públicos tanto a España como Alemania</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana/c014#c-14</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2023 15:04:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>pdpaco</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana/c014#c-14</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>Se llevó a Portugal las fábricas y ahora pide avales en España.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>pdpaco</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>39667783</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:order>13</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Yonny</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>10</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana</meneame:url>
		<title>#13 Siemens Energy (Gamesa) pide el rescate con avales públicos tanto a España como Alemania</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana/c013#c-13</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2023 15:00:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Yonny</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana/c013#c-13</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:3876149-12" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana/c012#c-12" rel="nofollow">#12</a> <br />
<br />
Una inversión es algo bastante diferente a un aval. Pero nada, a seguir debilitando empresas.<br />
Si dices que un inversor privado que invierte dinero y corre un riesgo es no hacer nada... Pues muy bien. Todo dicho.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Yonny</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>39667773</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>3876149</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>12</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>ComandantaShepard</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>10</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana</meneame:url>
		<title>#12 Siemens Energy (Gamesa) pide el rescate con avales públicos tanto a España como Alemania</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana/c012#c-12</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2023 14:58:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>ComandantaShepard</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana/c012#c-12</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:3876149-7" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana/c07#c-7" rel="nofollow">#7</a> jajaja, perdona, no quería ofenderte.<br />
<br />
Me pongo más seria: si necesita avales, que busque más inversores. Tendría narices que se le avale con dinero público y luego haya inversores privados que saquen grandes rendimientos sin haber hecho nada</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>ComandantaShepard</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>39667769</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>3876149</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>11</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Yonny</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>10</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana</meneame:url>
		<title>#11 Siemens Energy (Gamesa) pide el rescate con avales públicos tanto a España como Alemania</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana/c011#c-11</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2023 14:58:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Yonny</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana/c011#c-11</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:3876149-10" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana/c010#c-10" rel="nofollow">#10</a> ya lo hace, a lo mejor no estás bien informado... Por ejemplo hay avales del estado para hipotecas, etc y programas de avales a empresas del tesoro público.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Yonny</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>39667736</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>3876149</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>10</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>C00100100</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>1</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>18</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana</meneame:url>
		<title>#10 Siemens Energy (Gamesa) pide el rescate con avales públicos tanto a España como Alemania</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana/c010#c-10</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2023 14:55:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>C00100100</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana/c010#c-10</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:3876149-5" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana/c05#c-5" rel="nofollow">#5</a> a ver si me avala a mi el estado para mis compras y proyectos.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>C00100100</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>39667732</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>3876149</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>9</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Yonny</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>10</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana</meneame:url>
		<title>#9 Siemens Energy (Gamesa) pide el rescate con avales públicos tanto a España como Alemania</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana/c09#c-9</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2023 14:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Yonny</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana/c09#c-9</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:3876149-8" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana/c08#c-8" rel="nofollow">#8</a> has tenido que buscarlo???!!!</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Yonny</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>39667724</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>3876149</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>8</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Galton</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>1</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>21</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana</meneame:url>
		<title>#8 Siemens Energy (Gamesa) pide el rescate con avales públicos tanto a España como Alemania</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana/c08#c-8</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2023 14:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Galton</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana/c08#c-8</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:3876149-5" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana/c05#c-5" rel="nofollow">#5</a> tomato, tomeito... un aval financiero es como &#34;solamente la puntita...&#34; y dada la historia reciente de pérdidas de siemens... la posibilidad de la ejecución del aval es alta...<br />
<br />
<a href="https://www.bbva.es/finanzas-vistazo/ef/prestamos/que-es-aval-bancario.html" title="www.bbva.es/finanzas-vistazo/ef/prestamos/que-es-aval-bancario.html" rel="nofollow">www.bbva.es/finanzas-vistazo/ef/prestamos/que-es-aval-bancario.html</a></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Galton</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>39667712</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>3876149</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>7</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Yonny</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>10</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana</meneame:url>
		<title>#7 Siemens Energy (Gamesa) pide el rescate con avales públicos tanto a España como Alemania</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana/c07#c-7</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2023 14:54:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Yonny</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana/c07#c-7</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:3876149-6" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana/c06#c-6" rel="nofollow">#6</a> qué pereza</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Yonny</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>39667699</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>3876149</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>6</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>ComandantaShepard</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>2</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>30</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana</meneame:url>
		<title>#6 Siemens Energy (Gamesa) pide el rescate con avales públicos tanto a España como Alemania</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana/c06#c-6</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2023 14:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>ComandantaShepard</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana/c06#c-6</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:3876149-5" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana/c05#c-5" rel="nofollow">#5</a> que se lo pida a sus inversores</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>ComandantaShepard</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>39667684</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>3876149</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>5</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Yonny</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>1</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>-2</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana</meneame:url>
		<title>#5 Siemens Energy (Gamesa) pide el rescate con avales públicos tanto a España como Alemania</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana/c05#c-5</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2023 14:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Yonny</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana/c05#c-5</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:3876149-1" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana/c01#c-1" rel="nofollow">#1</a> <a class="tooltip c:3876149-2" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana/c02#c-2" rel="nofollow">#2</a> <a class="tooltip c:3876149-3" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana/c03#c-3" rel="nofollow">#3</a> <a class="tooltip c:3876149-4" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana/c04#c-4" rel="nofollow">#4</a><br />
<br />
Chicos... Habéis leído bien? No está pidiendo dinero, está pidiendo avalista para así ahorrar intereses. Sin más.<br />
<br />
No es un rescate, ni se le parece. Y el estado no tiene que pagar absolutamente nada.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Yonny</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>39667672</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>3876149</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>4</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>ComandantaShepard</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>2</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>31</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana</meneame:url>
		<title>#4 Siemens Energy (Gamesa) pide el rescate con avales públicos tanto a España como Alemania</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana/c04#c-4</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2023 14:49:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>ComandantaShepard</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana/c04#c-4</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>Que paguen el rescate sus inversores y directivos</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>ComandantaShepard</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>39667663</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>3876149</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>3</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Galton</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>9</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana</meneame:url>
		<title>#3 Siemens Energy (Gamesa) pide el rescate con avales públicos tanto a España como Alemania</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana/c03#c-3</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2023 14:49:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Galton</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana/c03#c-3</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>NO, gracias.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Galton</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>39667643</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>3876149</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>2</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--764791--</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>1</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>17</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana</meneame:url>
		<title>#2 Siemens Energy (Gamesa) pide el rescate con avales públicos tanto a España como Alemania</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana/c02#c-2</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2023 14:47:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--764791--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana/c02#c-2</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><i>El holding de Munich</i><br />
<br />
Pos que les pida a los de Munich, que esos tienen perras. España, si eso, que les dé trabajo de funcionario a los despedidos, con lo cual...<br />
<br />
1. El dinero va a los bolsillos del obrero y su familia, que son quienes realmente lo necesitan.<br />
2. El contribuyente ahorra dinero, porque en vez de pagar rescate de la empresa + subsidios por desempleo de los despedidos, paga sólo lo que vendría a ser el subsidio, es decir darle dinero al obrero. Que además, por la propia definición de cómo funciona una empresa capitalista, es decir exprimiendo al obrero y sacando plusvalías de su trabajo, siempre será mucha menor cantidad de dinero a desembolsar que el costoso rescate de la misma empresa privada.<br />
3. El contribuyente recibe algo a cambio: no es lo mismo pagarle a un tío el paro que pagarle por trabajar. Aunque haga poco ese día, barrer una calle, desbrozar un monte, conducir una furgoneta de Correos o repartir propaganda de Pedro Sánchez, ya habrá hecho más que fumando porros en el parque con el dinero del paro.<br />
4. Al contrario que soltarle mil mishone a la puta empresa privada Siemens de los cojones, contratando a sus obreros de funcionarios repartes el dinero a pagar en cómodas mensualidades a lo largo de muchísimos años de trabajo, produciendo un muchísimo menor impacto en las arcas nacionales.<br />
<br />
Y ahora venid los liberatas de uno en uno a argumentarme en contra, y ya si me apetece os respondo.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--764791--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>39667552</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>3876149</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>1</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Hangdog</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>6</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>83</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana</meneame:url>
		<title>#1 Siemens Energy (Gamesa) pide el rescate con avales públicos tanto a España como Alemania</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana/c01#c-1</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2023 14:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Hangdog</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/siemens-energy-gamesa-pide-rescate-avales-publicos-tanto-espana/c01#c-1</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>Socializar pérdidas</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Hangdog</strong></p>]]></description>
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