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		<meneame:comment_id>132864</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>34265</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>9</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>huliber</meneame:user>
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		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/teorema-poincare-perelman-para-dummies</meneame:url>
		<title>#9 Teorema de Poincaré - Perelman para dummies</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/teorema-poincare-perelman-para-dummies/c09#c-9</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 17:01:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>huliber</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>A mi me gusta explicar la conjetura de Poincare de la siguiente forma: <br />
<br />
Todo objeto limitado que a pequeña escala es indistinguible del espacio de tres dimensiones, y donde cualquier circunferencia  puede ser deformada en un punto sin romperla, es indistinguible de una esfera de dimension 3.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>huliber</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>132391</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>34265</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>8</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>level3</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>9</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/teorema-poincare-perelman-para-dummies</meneame:url>
		<title>#8 Teorema de Poincaré - Perelman para dummies</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/teorema-poincare-perelman-para-dummies/c08#c-8</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 10:29:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>level3</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/teorema-poincare-perelman-para-dummies/c08#c-8</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>yo sólo he mirado los dibujos</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>level3</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>132339</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>34265</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>7</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>gaussianos</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>6</meneame:karma>
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		<title>#7 Teorema de Poincaré - Perelman para dummies</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/teorema-poincare-perelman-para-dummies/c07#c-7</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 09:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>gaussianos</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/teorema-poincare-perelman-para-dummies/c07#c-7</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:34265-5" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/teorema-poincare-perelman-para-dummies/c05#c-5" rel="nofollow">#5</a> claro claro, lo explico en R3 para que se vea con superficies que todo el mundo conoce y puede ver. Lo que yo quería decir es que el caso que faltaba por probar era en R4.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>gaussianos</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>132095</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>34265</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>6</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Jason_v</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>19</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/teorema-poincare-perelman-para-dummies</meneame:url>
		<title>#6 Teorema de Poincaré - Perelman para dummies</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/teorema-poincare-perelman-para-dummies/c06#c-6</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 06:02:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jason_v</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/teorema-poincare-perelman-para-dummies/c06#c-6</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>Ahora se porque no me gustan las matemáticas <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/tongue.png" alt=":-P" title=":-P" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Jason_v</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>132062</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>34265</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>5</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>jorginius</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>9</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/teorema-poincare-perelman-para-dummies</meneame:url>
		<title>#5 Teorema de Poincaré - Perelman para dummies</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/teorema-poincare-perelman-para-dummies/c05#c-5</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 02:09:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>jorginius</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/teorema-poincare-perelman-para-dummies/c05#c-5</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:34265-4" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/teorema-poincare-perelman-para-dummies/c04#c-4" rel="nofollow">#4</a> Bueno sí, Poincare lo plantea 3-variedades pero este tipo de cosas son las que se omiten cuando lo cuentas en tres líneas :-).  La idea es que para todo n (incluído n = 2) la única n-variedad con grupo fundamental trivial es la n-esfera.<br />
<br />
Si empiezas a hablar de R4 la cosa no queda tan intuitiva. Además, tú haces la misma trampa: lo explicas geométricamente en R3 <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/roll.gif" alt=":roll:" title=":roll:" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>jorginius</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>132054</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>34265</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>4</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>gaussianos</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>6</meneame:karma>
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		<title>#4 Teorema de Poincaré - Perelman para dummies</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/teorema-poincare-perelman-para-dummies/c04#c-4</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 01:41:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>gaussianos</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/teorema-poincare-perelman-para-dummies/c04#c-4</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:34265-3" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/teorema-poincare-perelman-para-dummies/c03#c-3" rel="nofollow">#3</a> una aclaración sobre ese comentario: la conjetura habla de 3-variedades, que pertenecen a R4, no al espacio tridimensional. El caso de variedades en el espacio tridimensional es el caso n = 2, que ya estaba demostrado.<br />
<br />
Sobre el tema de la topología echa un ojo al final del penúltimo párrafo de este post. Básicamente dice lo mismo que ese comentario.<br />
<br />
Y para terminar: cierto, lo que ha demostrado Perelman es la conjetura de geometrización de Thurston. Se me olvidó ponerlo :P.<br />
<br />
Saludos <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/smiley.png" alt=":-)" title=":-)" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>gaussianos</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>132052</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>34265</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>3</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>jorginius</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>9</meneame:karma>
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		<title>#3 Teorema de Poincaré - Perelman para dummies</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/teorema-poincare-perelman-para-dummies/c03#c-3</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 01:29:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>jorginius</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/teorema-poincare-perelman-para-dummies/c03#c-3</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>Está muy bien, la explicación es sencilla y completa. Queda un poco coja sin topología pero si queréis leer una explicación de tres líneas:<br />
<br />
<a href="http://meneame.net/story/perelman-ser-humano-mas-inteligente#comment-14" title="meneame.net/story/perelman-ser-humano-mas-inteligente#comment-14" rel="nofollow">meneame.net/story/perelman-ser-humano-mas-inteligente#comment-14</a><br />
<br />
De todas formas, lo que ha demostrado Perelman es la conjetura de geometrización de Thurston, que es más general. La conjetura de Poincare es un caso particular de aquella.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>jorginius</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>132049</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>34265</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>2</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>jotape</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>16</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/teorema-poincare-perelman-para-dummies</meneame:url>
		<title>#2 Teorema de Poincaré - Perelman para dummies</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/teorema-poincare-perelman-para-dummies/c02#c-2</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 01:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>jotape</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/teorema-poincare-perelman-para-dummies/c02#c-2</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>Pues yo es la primera vez que más me acerco a entenderlo, y eso que no son horas... <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/lol.gif" alt="xD" title=":lol: xD" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>jotape</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>132048</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>34265</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>1</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>terminologue</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>13</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/teorema-poincare-perelman-para-dummies</meneame:url>
		<title>#1 Teorema de Poincaré - Perelman para dummies</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/teorema-poincare-perelman-para-dummies/c01#c-1</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 01:17:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>terminologue</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/teorema-poincare-perelman-para-dummies/c01#c-1</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>No he entendido nada...</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>terminologue</strong></p>]]></description>
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