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		<meneame:comment_id>27872912</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:order>24</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>benderin</meneame:user>
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		<title>#24 Fournier y el origen de los naipes</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Sep 2019 14:38:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>benderin</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:3186900-16" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/fournier-origen-naipes-1/c016#c-16" rel="nofollow">#16</a> Eso mismo. Y sobre la etimología de &#34;naipe&#34; podían haber ido a buscar a la misma fuente donde se aclara que vendría del término árabe &#34;nã'ib&#34;, lugarteniente (en este caso el del rey, el virrey) y ya de paso mostrar los naipes mamelucos de los que parece poco contestable que deriva el patrón hispano-italiano (curiosamente en varios italianos aún se mantiene la curvatura de las espadas).<br />
<a href="https://www.wopc.co.uk/egypt/mamluk" title="www.wopc.co.uk/egypt/mamluk" rel="nofollow">www.wopc.co.uk/egypt/mamluk</a></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>benderin</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>27872386</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:order>23</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>pert0</meneame:user>
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		<meneame:karma>21</meneame:karma>
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		<title>#23 Fournier y el origen de los naipes</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/fournier-origen-naipes-1/c023#c-23</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Sep 2019 13:39:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>pert0</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Para los que votan duplicada. Los envíos realizados a subs con temáticas minoritarias no se consideran duplicados. O antes era así</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>pert0</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>27872232</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:order>22</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>maria1988</meneame:user>
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		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/fournier-origen-naipes-1</meneame:url>
		<title>#22 Fournier y el origen de los naipes</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/fournier-origen-naipes-1/c022#c-22</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Sep 2019 13:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>maria1988</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:3186900-10" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/fournier-origen-naipes-1/c010#c-10" rel="nofollow">#10</a> La baraja italiana son 40 cartas. Después del siete viene la sota, no hay ochos y nueves.<br />
cc. <a class="tooltip c:3186900-11" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/fournier-origen-naipes-1/c011#c-11" rel="nofollow">#11</a></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>maria1988</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>27872098</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:order>21</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>JungSpinoza</meneame:user>
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		<title>#21 Fournier y el origen de los naipes</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/fournier-origen-naipes-1/c021#c-21</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Sep 2019 13:05:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>JungSpinoza</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:3186900-1" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/fournier-origen-naipes-1/c01#c-1" rel="nofollow">#1</a> ohh el gran SHAZAM!    <br />
<br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uilJZZ_iVwY" title="www.youtube.com/watch?v=uilJZZ_iVwY" rel="nofollow">www.youtube.com/watch?v=uilJZZ_iVwY</a></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>JungSpinoza</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>27872065</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:order>20</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--546793--</meneame:user>
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		<title>#20 Fournier y el origen de los naipes</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Sep 2019 12:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:3186900-18" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/fournier-origen-naipes-1/c018#c-18" rel="nofollow">#18</a> Más fácil sí, pero no más útil.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--546793--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:user>Aguirre_el_loco</meneame:user>
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		<title>#19 Fournier y el origen de los naipes</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/fournier-origen-naipes-1/c019#c-19</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Sep 2019 12:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Aguirre_el_loco</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:3186900-6" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/fournier-origen-naipes-1/c06#c-6" rel="nofollow">#6</a> Sí, y no. Hay modelos regionales derivados de los españoles, pero la paternidad de la baraja está entre ellos y nosotros...</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Aguirre_el_loco</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>27872058</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:order>18</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>JungSpinoza</meneame:user>
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		<meneame:karma>7</meneame:karma>
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		<title>#18 Fournier y el origen de los naipes</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/fournier-origen-naipes-1/c018#c-18</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Sep 2019 12:58:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>JungSpinoza</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:3186900-14" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/fournier-origen-naipes-1/c014#c-14" rel="nofollow">#14</a> Hombre era mas sencillo irse a la cafeteria con las cartas de Fournier que quedarse a escuchar mas sobre transformadas de Fourier . <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/lol.gif" alt="xD" title=":lol: xD" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /> <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/foreveralone.png" alt=":foreveralone:" title=":foreveralone:" width="20" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>JungSpinoza</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>27872048</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:order>17</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>JungSpinoza</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>7</meneame:karma>
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		<title>#17 Fournier y el origen de los naipes</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/fournier-origen-naipes-1/c017#c-17</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Sep 2019 12:57:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>JungSpinoza</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:3186900-13" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/fournier-origen-naipes-1/c013#c-13" rel="nofollow">#13</a> Rule 34 aplicada a las transformadas de Fourier .  ...    <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/huh.png" alt="?(" title="?(" width="16" height="21" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /> <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/wow.png" alt="o_o" title="o_o :wow:" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>JungSpinoza</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>27872031</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:order>16</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Aguirre_el_loco</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>2</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>20</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/fournier-origen-naipes-1</meneame:url>
		<title>#16 Fournier y el origen de los naipes</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/fournier-origen-naipes-1/c016#c-16</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Sep 2019 12:55:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Aguirre_el_loco</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/fournier-origen-naipes-1/c016#c-16</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>Madre mía, hasta que no empieza a hablar de Fournier mete la pata todo el rato <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/wow.png" alt="o_o" title="o_o :wow:" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /> <br />
<br />
Los naipes aparecen en Europa hacia 1370, no hay ninguna mención (ni prohibición) anterior.<br />
<br />
El Tarot, aunque aparece a finales de la Edad Media (y tiene simbolismo propio de la época), no se usa para adivinación tal y como la conocemos hasta finales del siglo XVIII (por culpa de Etteilla y sus teorías sobre el origen egipcio <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/shit.png" alt=":shit:" title=":shit:" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" />  del Tarot). La peculiaridad es que tiene un palo de triunfos fijo (no por sorteo, como en la brisca) para jugar a juegos de bazas. La inquisición española no le vio más problema que el hecho que la carta del diablo tuviese más valor que la del papa, y que salía una papisa...<br />
<br />
La descripción más antigua de una baraja española (Fernando de la Torre, medieados del siglo XV), es de 48 naipes (1 al 9 y sota, caballo, rey) y los cuatro palos típicos. Ningún cambio hasta ahora, porque 48 naipes se reparten bien en los pliegos, aunque los pobres 8 y 9 hayan sido marginados desde hace siglos...<br />
<br />
Una pena que haya ignorado lo que dice una de sus mejores fuentes (<a href="https://www.wopc.co.uk/spain/" title="www.wopc.co.uk/spain/" rel="nofollow">www.wopc.co.uk/spain/</a>) y dé verosimilitud a otras que... <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/shit.png" alt=":shit:" title=":shit:" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Aguirre_el_loco</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>27872024</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:karma>16</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/fournier-origen-naipes-1</meneame:url>
		<title>#15 Fournier y el origen de los naipes</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/fournier-origen-naipes-1/c015#c-15</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Sep 2019 12:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--546793--</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:3186900-13" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/fournier-origen-naipes-1/c013#c-13" rel="nofollow">#13</a> Radares, SHAZAM, la física de particulas que hoy conocemos...etc</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--546793--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>27872010</meneame:comment_id>
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		<title>#14 Fournier y el origen de los naipes</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/fournier-origen-naipes-1/c014#c-14</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Sep 2019 12:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--546793--</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:3186900-12" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/fournier-origen-naipes-1/c012#c-12" rel="nofollow">#12</a> No hay cosa más sencilla y más útil.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--546793--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:user>sillycon</meneame:user>
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		<meneame:karma>9</meneame:karma>
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		<title>#13 Fournier y el origen de los naipes</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/fournier-origen-naipes-1/c013#c-13</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Sep 2019 12:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>sillycon</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/fournier-origen-naipes-1/c013#c-13</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:3186900-12" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/fournier-origen-naipes-1/c012#c-12" rel="nofollow">#12</a> ...Que te permiten tener fotos de chicas, MP3ses, TDT y Netflix, entre algunas otras cosillas...</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>sillycon</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>27871969</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:user>JungSpinoza</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>1</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>23</meneame:karma>
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		<title>#12 Fournier y el origen de los naipes</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/fournier-origen-naipes-1/c012#c-12</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Sep 2019 12:48:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>JungSpinoza</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:3186900-8" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/fournier-origen-naipes-1/c08#c-8" rel="nofollow">#8</a> El cabronazo de Fourier y sus transformadas  <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/ffu.png" alt=":ffu:" title=":ffu:" width="23" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /> <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/ffu.png" alt=":ffu:" title=":ffu:" width="23" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /> <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/ffu.png" alt=":ffu:" title=":ffu:" width="23" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /> <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/ffu.png" alt=":ffu:" title=":ffu:" width="23" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>JungSpinoza</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:user>Ovlak</meneame:user>
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		<title>#11 Fournier y el origen de los naipes</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Sep 2019 12:47:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Ovlak</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:3186900-10" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/fournier-origen-naipes-1/c010#c-10" rel="nofollow">#10</a> La baraja española es de 48 cartas. Se eliminan, habitualmente, 8 de ellas (los 8 y los 9) en función del juego. Pero la baraja completa es de 48.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Ovlak</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>27871940</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:karma>7</meneame:karma>
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		<title>#10 Fournier y el origen de los naipes</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/fournier-origen-naipes-1/c010#c-10</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Sep 2019 12:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>ronko</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/fournier-origen-naipes-1/c010#c-10</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:3186900-1" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/fournier-origen-naipes-1/c01#c-1" rel="nofollow">#1</a>  ¿Cuál es la que elimina el 8 y el 9 y la que no?</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>ronko</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>27871934</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>3186900</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>9</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--607622--</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>3</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>53</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/fournier-origen-naipes-1</meneame:url>
		<title>#9 Fournier y el origen de los naipes</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/fournier-origen-naipes-1/c09#c-9</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Sep 2019 12:43:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--607622--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/fournier-origen-naipes-1/c09#c-9</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>Uno de los mejores recuerdos de mi época de universitario: las barajas de don Heraclio.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--607622--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>27871923</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:order>8</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--546793--</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>16</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/fournier-origen-naipes-1</meneame:url>
		<title>#8 Fournier y el origen de los naipes</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/fournier-origen-naipes-1/c08#c-8</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Sep 2019 12:41:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--546793--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/fournier-origen-naipes-1/c08#c-8</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>Todavía si hubiese dicho Fourier y el origen  sinusoides, pero Fournier y el origen de los naipes, no me cuadra. <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/grin.png" alt=":-D" title=":-D" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /> <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/grin.png" alt=":-D" title=":-D" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /> <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/grin.png" alt=":-D" title=":-D" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--546793--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>27871915</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:order>7</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>soundnessia</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>10</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/fournier-origen-naipes-1</meneame:url>
		<title>#7 Fournier y el origen de los naipes</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/fournier-origen-naipes-1/c07#c-7</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Sep 2019 12:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>soundnessia</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/fournier-origen-naipes-1/c07#c-7</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>y con marfil</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>soundnessia</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>27869952</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:order>6</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--517057--</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>1</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>20</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/fournier-origen-naipes-1</meneame:url>
		<title>#6 Fournier y el origen de los naipes</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/fournier-origen-naipes-1/c06#c-6</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Sep 2019 08:42:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--517057--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/fournier-origen-naipes-1/c06#c-6</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:3186900-1" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/fournier-origen-naipes-1/c01#c-1" rel="nofollow">#1</a> Probablemente tenga que ver con el periodo del Nápoles español.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--517057--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>27869850</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:order>5</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>arariel</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>1</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>24</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/fournier-origen-naipes-1</meneame:url>
		<title>#5 Fournier y el origen de los naipes</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/fournier-origen-naipes-1/c05#c-5</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Sep 2019 08:32:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>arariel</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/fournier-origen-naipes-1/c05#c-5</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:3186900-2" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/fournier-origen-naipes-1/c02#c-2" rel="nofollow">#2</a> Don Heraclio.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>arariel</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>27869808</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:order>4</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--115178--</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>2</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>35</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/fournier-origen-naipes-1</meneame:url>
		<title>#4 Fournier y el origen de los naipes</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/fournier-origen-naipes-1/c04#c-4</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Sep 2019 08:28:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--115178--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/fournier-origen-naipes-1/c04#c-4</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:3186900-2" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/fournier-origen-naipes-1/c02#c-2" rel="nofollow">#2</a> <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/troll.png" alt=":troll:" title=":troll:" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--115178--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>27869223</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:order>3</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>arariel</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>5</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>71</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/fournier-origen-naipes-1</meneame:url>
		<title>#3 Fournier y el origen de los naipes</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/fournier-origen-naipes-1/c03#c-3</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Sep 2019 07:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>arariel</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/fournier-origen-naipes-1/c03#c-3</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>Unos días en Vitoria es una buena forma de hacer turismo. Hace falta un buen calzado para recorrer sus empedradas calles, llenas de cuestas y escaleras.<br />
Uno de los museos a visitar es el de Fournier. <a href="https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Museo_Fournier_de_Naipes" title="es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Museo_Fournier_de_Naipes" rel="nofollow">es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Museo_Fournier_de_Naipes</a></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>arariel</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>27869180</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:order>2</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>ElPerroSeLlamabaMisTetas</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>4</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>57</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/fournier-origen-naipes-1</meneame:url>
		<title>#2 Fournier y el origen de los naipes</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/fournier-origen-naipes-1/c02#c-2</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Sep 2019 07:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>ElPerroSeLlamabaMisTetas</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/fournier-origen-naipes-1/c02#c-2</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>Anda me ha entrado curiosidad voy a buscar Fournier en google imagenes</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>ElPerroSeLlamabaMisTetas</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>27869174</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:order>1</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>maria1988</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>4</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>54</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/fournier-origen-naipes-1</meneame:url>
		<title>#1 Fournier y el origen de los naipes</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/fournier-origen-naipes-1/c01#c-1</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Sep 2019 07:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>maria1988</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/fournier-origen-naipes-1/c01#c-1</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>Como curiosidad, las cartas italianas son muy similares a las españolas, sobre todo las napolitanas y las piacentinas. Se trata de barajas de cuatro palos, con oros, copas, espadas y bastos. Incluso muchos de los juegos son similares.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>maria1988</strong></p>]]></description>
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