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		<meneame:comment_id>27396903</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:order>41</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Pitt</meneame:user>
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		<title>#41 Johnson &#38; Johnson probará la vacuna contra el VIH en EE.UU. y Europa [ing]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c041#c-41</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jul 2019 21:25:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Pitt</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c041#c-41</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:3155596-40" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c040#c-40" rel="nofollow">#40</a> Seguro, pudiendo ganar miles de millones ahora mejor ganar solo unos pocos millones y dejar que la competencia se adelante y saque una vacuna igual pero barata y ganen ellos los miles de millones. A ver aquí quién no tiene ni idea de cómo funcionan los avances médicos.<br />
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Y lo de los ricos, pues mira tú, no te digo que muchos no quieran follarse &#34;esclavos&#34;, como bien dices, pero ya se ocuparán de que estén libres de enfermedades cuando lo hagan. Que oye, el VIH no es la única cosa que se pueden pegar por ahí, pensar que se van a poner la vacuna solo para poder follar sin problemas es bastante ridículo.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Pitt</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>27396279</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>3155596</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>40</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>HaCHa</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>10</meneame:karma>
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		<title>#40 Johnson &#38; Johnson probará la vacuna contra el VIH en EE.UU. y Europa [ing]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c040#c-40</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jul 2019 18:55:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>HaCHa</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c040#c-40</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:3155596-34" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c034#c-34" rel="nofollow">#34</a> Tú de negocios fatal. <br />
La cosa va así: primero se sangra a los ricos y luego a las masas. Todo por fases, a medida que el precio va cayendo.<br />
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De gente rica, de sexo y poder, tampoco entiendes un carajo... Muchos oligarcas no quieren montárselo con sus homólogos y sólo se van a la cama con la gente a la que pueden dominar y no tienen que satisfacer, o soportar. Yo he llegado a escuchar un &#34;para follar lo mejor son los esclavos&#34;.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>HaCHa</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>27396233</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>3155596</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>39</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>HaCHa</meneame:user>
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		<meneame:karma>10</meneame:karma>
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		<title>#39 Johnson &#38; Johnson probará la vacuna contra el VIH en EE.UU. y Europa [ing]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c039#c-39</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jul 2019 18:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>HaCHa</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c039#c-39</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:3155596-35" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c035#c-35" rel="nofollow">#35</a> El genérico no es que no se pueda usar, es que puede dar problemas y eso (entre otras cosas, que ya tal) hace que muchos médicos o no lo receten sin antes contarte una peli de terror... o que directamente ni te lo ofrezcan.<br />
Sucede así en muchos casos y países, no hace falta tener una bola de cristal.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>HaCHa</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>27394980</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:order>38</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>pelimetal</meneame:user>
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		<title>#38 Johnson &#38; Johnson probará la vacuna contra el VIH en EE.UU. y Europa [ing]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c038#c-38</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jul 2019 14:33:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>pelimetal</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c038#c-38</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>Menéame, ¿qué te ha pasado? Todavía nadie ha dicho nada del tipo: &#34;y así empezó la epidemia zombie en 2021&#34;</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>pelimetal</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>27394056</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>3155596</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>37</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--449990--</meneame:user>
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		<meneame:karma>6</meneame:karma>
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		<title>#37 Johnson &#38; Johnson probará la vacuna contra el VIH en EE.UU. y Europa [ing]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c037#c-37</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jul 2019 12:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--449990--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c037#c-37</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:3155596-27" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c027#c-27" rel="nofollow">#27</a> muchas empresas usan cosmética y otras líneas de negocio para subvencionar internamente la investigación médica.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--449990--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>27394025</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>3155596</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>36</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Reakl</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>1</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>-1</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing</meneame:url>
		<title>#36 Johnson &#38; Johnson probará la vacuna contra el VIH en EE.UU. y Europa [ing]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c036#c-36</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jul 2019 11:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Reakl</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c036#c-36</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:3155596-7" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c07#c-7" rel="nofollow">#7</a> Correcto. Pero de esto se informa a la gente. Es decir, no te ponen una inyección y te envían para casa. Cuando se realizan ensayos con medicamentos experimentales es el propio paciente el que decide entrar en el experimento y se le explica la posibilidad de que lo que toma puede no tener ningún efecto (o incluso ser negativo).</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Reakl</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>27393637</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>3155596</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>35</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>par</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>1</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>17</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing</meneame:url>
		<title>#35 Johnson &#38; Johnson probará la vacuna contra el VIH en EE.UU. y Europa [ing]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c035#c-35</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jul 2019 11:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>par</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c035#c-35</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:3155596-30" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c030#c-30" rel="nofollow">#30</a> <i>Cada vez que esté a punto de salir un genérico se las ingeniarán para sacar otra versión, prácticamente igual pero ligeramente mejor</i><br />
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Aham, y que impedira al resto usar el generico?<br />
<br />
Por cierto, todo esto lo sabes porque tienes un bola para predecir el futuro?</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>par</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>27393290</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>3155596</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>34</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Pitt</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>5</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>44</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing</meneame:url>
		<title>#34 Johnson &#38; Johnson probará la vacuna contra el VIH en EE.UU. y Europa [ing]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c034#c-34</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jul 2019 10:17:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Pitt</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c034#c-34</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:3155596-30" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c030#c-30" rel="nofollow">#30</a> Claro que sí, seguro que a Johnson &#38; Johnson les sale más a cuenta vender su vacuna a 10.000 personas a 100.000€ cada una que a 34 millones por 200€.<br />
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Y te voy a contar un secreto: a la gente rica seguramente no le gusta follarse a gente desgraciada y enferma. Tienen muchas otras posibilidades.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Pitt</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>27393204</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:order>33</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--610233--</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>7</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing</meneame:url>
		<title>#33 Johnson &#38; Johnson probará la vacuna contra el VIH en EE.UU. y Europa [ing]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c033#c-33</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jul 2019 10:04:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--610233--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c033#c-33</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>Que triste que una noticia sobre la prueba de una vacuna del VIH tenga tan poca repercusión</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--610233--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>27392794</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:order>32</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Turtle</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>1</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>18</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing</meneame:url>
		<title>#32 Johnson &#38; Johnson probará la vacuna contra el VIH en EE.UU. y Europa [ing]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c032#c-32</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jul 2019 08:45:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Turtle</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c032#c-32</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:3155596-4" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c04#c-4" rel="nofollow">#4</a> Y no te olvides del compeed, para ponértelos en el tobillo en esos viajes en que, después de caminar varios días, descubres que tus zapatos son una mierda. <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/lol.gif" alt="xD" title=":lol: xD" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Turtle</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>27392694</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:order>31</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Alfred_J._Kraus</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>1</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>13</meneame:karma>
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		<title>#31 Johnson &#38; Johnson probará la vacuna contra el VIH en EE.UU. y Europa [ing]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c031#c-31</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jul 2019 08:22:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Alfred_J._Kraus</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Y no pican los ojos!</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Alfred_J._Kraus</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>27392599</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:order>30</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>HaCHa</meneame:user>
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		<meneame:karma>5</meneame:karma>
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		<title>#30 Johnson &#38; Johnson probará la vacuna contra el VIH en EE.UU. y Europa [ing]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c030#c-30</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jul 2019 07:54:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>HaCHa</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c030#c-30</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:3155596-20" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c020#c-20" rel="nofollow">#20</a> También curan, pero sólo con sus productos premium. <br />
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La vacuna esta es para que los ricos se inflen a follar gente desgraciada y enferma sin tenerse que preocupar por nada. Valdrá mil miles, durante mil años. Cada vez que esté a punto de salir un genérico se las ingeniarán para sacar otra versión, prácticamente igual pero ligeramente mejor (esto es, con un par de efectos secundarios y de contraindicaciones menos), de manera que la patente les dure in secula seculorum a efectos prácticos de pingüe rentabilidad y la enfermedad no llegue a ser fácilmente erradicada en muchas generaciones.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>HaCHa</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>27392594</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:order>29</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--584079--</meneame:user>
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		<meneame:karma>16</meneame:karma>
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		<title>#29 Johnson &#38; Johnson probará la vacuna contra el VIH en EE.UU. y Europa [ing]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c029#c-29</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jul 2019 07:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--584079--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c029#c-29</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:3155596-28" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c028#c-28" rel="nofollow">#28</a> si he calculado bien, lo esperado que haya en las 2600 personas del estudio serían entonces uno o dos casos,  si es muestra aleatoria simple.  A poca varianza que tengan, me pregunto como van a obtener resultados significativos.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--584079--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:user>Abeel</meneame:user>
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		<meneame:karma>21</meneame:karma>
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		<title>#28 Johnson &#38; Johnson probará la vacuna contra el VIH en EE.UU. y Europa [ing]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c028#c-28</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jul 2019 07:43:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Abeel</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c028#c-28</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:3155596-21" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c021#c-21" rel="nofollow">#21</a> bajisima incidencia, unos 40 millones de personas mundiales.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Abeel</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>27392558</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>3155596</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>27</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Abeel</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>8</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>82</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing</meneame:url>
		<title>#27 Johnson &#38; Johnson probará la vacuna contra el VIH en EE.UU. y Europa [ing]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c027#c-27</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jul 2019 07:39:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Abeel</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c027#c-27</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:3155596-1" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c01#c-1" rel="nofollow">#1</a> sí, la gente no entiende que son los mismos y que curiosamente generan muchísimo más dinero en cosmética (champú, cremas, dentífricos) que en las vacunas (menos rentable). Si te fijas en el coste a la seguridad social de todo el programa de vacunas de un bebé hasta la etapa adulta es muy inferior al gasto promedio en cosmética/higiene en la vida de ese mismo bebé a adulto.<br />
<br />
El argumento 'las vacunas para hacer ricas a las farmacéuticas' la oirás mucho, pero nunca (o casi cero) 'no uso jabón por no hacer ricas a más farmacéuticas)'.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Abeel</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>27392524</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>3155596</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>26</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>simiocesar</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>6</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>65</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing</meneame:url>
		<title>#26 Johnson &#38; Johnson probará la vacuna contra el VIH en EE.UU. y Europa [ing]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c026#c-26</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jul 2019 07:29:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>simiocesar</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c026#c-26</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:3155596-11" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c011#c-11" rel="nofollow">#11</a> <a class="tooltip c:3155596-8" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c08#c-8" rel="nofollow">#8</a> VIH-1 y el VIH-2<br />
La forma de actuación en el organismo es la misma: ambos atacan a nuestras defensas, impidiendo que nuestro cuerpo se “defienda” de agresiones externas.<br />
<br />
El modo en que se transmiten ambos virus también es el mismo, aunque por las razones antes mencionadas, la probabilidad de infectarse con el VIH-2 es menor. De hecho, la transmisión de VIH-2 por vía sexual es aproximadamente unas 5 veces menor que el VIH-1. De forma similar, la transmisión vertical de madre a hijo del VIH-2 es muy poco frecuente.<br />
<br />
Incidencia / prevalencia según zonas.<br />
El VIH-1 es el responsable de la epidemia mundial de SIDA, mientras que el VIH-2 es endémico del África Oriental, de países como Senegal, Gambia, Liberia, Ghana o Nigeria.<br />
<br />
Son muy pocos los casos descritos de VIH-2 fuera de estos países, pero es obvio que los flujos migratorios actuales favorecen la expansión de su área de influencia.<br />
<br />
Por qué dos determinaciones diferentes.<br />
La razón por la que son necesarias dos determinaciones diferentes para detectar a ambos virus, es el hecho de que, tal y como comentamos al principio, entre los dos serotipos sólo hay un 45% de similitud, con lo que la especificidad de las pruebas de detección no permite con un único test detectar a ambos. De hecho, el diagnóstico diferencial de VIH-1 y VIH-2 en muchos casos supone un reto y son necesarias diferentes aproximaciones analíticas para llegar a tener un resultado adecuado.<br />
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<i>Me entere hace poco que existian 2</i></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>simiocesar</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>27392405</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>3155596</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>25</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Elanor</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>11</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>80</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing</meneame:url>
		<title>#25 Johnson &#38; Johnson probará la vacuna contra el VIH en EE.UU. y Europa [ing]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c025#c-25</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jul 2019 06:39:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Elanor</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c025#c-25</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:3155596-20" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c020#c-20" rel="nofollow">#20</a> No te preocupes, seguro que aprovechan esas vacunas para inyectar autismo en la gente.<br />
Me lo ha dicho mi homeópata</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Elanor</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>27392402</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>3155596</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>24</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Javi-_Nux</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>4</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>46</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing</meneame:url>
		<title>#24 Johnson &#38; Johnson probará la vacuna contra el VIH en EE.UU. y Europa [ing]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c024#c-24</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jul 2019 06:37:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Javi-_Nux</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c024#c-24</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>Queda bien el chiste de vamos a probar la vacuna con los negritos, que si no funciona no pasa nada, pero para llegar a esta fase ha tenido que haber una evaluación preclínica de seguridad y eficacia. Los ensayos clínicos son muy rigurosos, por eso las farmacéuticas gastan millonadas en medicamentos que nunca llegan al mercado, que no digo yo que no les joda ya que su objetivo es maximizar el beneficio, pero para eso está la normativa legal que se lo impide aunque algunos crean que les dejan hacer de todo porque tienen comprado al mundo entero.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Javi-_Nux</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>27392363</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>3155596</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>23</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>gauntlet_</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>10</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing</meneame:url>
		<title>#23 Johnson &#38; Johnson probará la vacuna contra el VIH en EE.UU. y Europa [ing]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c023#c-23</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jul 2019 06:21:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>gauntlet_</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c023#c-23</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:3155596-7" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c07#c-7" rel="nofollow">#7</a> No.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>gauntlet_</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>27392348</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>3155596</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>22</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>flixter</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>6</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing</meneame:url>
		<title>#22 Johnson &#38; Johnson probará la vacuna contra el VIH en EE.UU. y Europa [ing]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c022#c-22</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jul 2019 06:10:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>flixter</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c022#c-22</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>A ver a qué país le toca el grupo de control, y a cual otro el grupo experimental.... <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/troll.png" alt=":troll:" title=":troll:" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>flixter</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>27392310</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>3155596</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>21</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--584079--</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>11</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing</meneame:url>
		<title>#21 Johnson &#38; Johnson probará la vacuna contra el VIH en EE.UU. y Europa [ing]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c021#c-21</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jul 2019 05:41:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--584079--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c021#c-21</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>No debe ser nada fácil probar una vacuna en una enfermedad de baja incidencia.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--584079--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>27392300</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>3155596</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>20</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>vomisa</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>13</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>102</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing</meneame:url>
		<title>#20 Johnson &#38; Johnson probará la vacuna contra el VIH en EE.UU. y Europa [ing]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c020#c-20</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jul 2019 05:32:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>vomisa</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c020#c-20</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>No es posible. Yo he leído en meneame que las farmacéuticas no curan ninprevienen, porque les sale más a cuenta cronificar las enfermedades <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/tinfoil.gif" alt=":tinfoil:" title=":tinfoil:" width="18" height="26" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>vomisa</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>27392253</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>3155596</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>19</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>LadyStorm</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>8</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>81</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing</meneame:url>
		<title>#19 Johnson &#38; Johnson probará la vacuna contra el VIH en EE.UU. y Europa [ing]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c019#c-19</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jul 2019 04:55:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>LadyStorm</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c019#c-19</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:3155596-7" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c07#c-7" rel="nofollow">#7</a> Para ensayos de seguridad (ver efectos adversos), seguramente. Así se evita efecto nocebo.<br />
<br />
Para eficacia, en humanos se valora midiendo titulación de anticuerpos. Si hay suficiente cantidad, se ha inmunizado correctamente, y si no, no ha habido una correcta inmunización.<br />
CC:<a class="tooltip c:3155596-17" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c017#c-17" rel="nofollow">#17</a></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>LadyStorm</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>27392236</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>3155596</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>18</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>GanaderiaCuantica</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>1</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>24</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing</meneame:url>
		<title>#18 Johnson &#38; Johnson probará la vacuna contra el VIH en EE.UU. y Europa [ing]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c018#c-18</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jul 2019 04:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>GanaderiaCuantica</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c018#c-18</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:3155596-7" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c07#c-7" rel="nofollow">#7</a> <a class="tooltip c:3155596-17" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c017#c-17" rel="nofollow">#17</a> No sé si hay grandes diferencias respecto a eso comparado con cualquier otro medicamento para &#34;curar&#34;. Pero pongo un link que describe el proceso de desarrollo de una vacuna (y habla de grupo placebo en la fase II) :<br />
<br />
<a href="https://www.historyofvaccines.org/es/contenido/articulos/desarrollo-pruebas-y-reglamentos-para-las-vacunas" title="www.historyofvaccines.org/es/contenido/articulos/desarrollo-pruebas-y-reglamentos-para-las-vacunas" rel="nofollow">www.historyofvaccines.org/es/contenido/articulos/desarrollo-pruebas-y-</a></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>GanaderiaCuantica</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>27392211</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>3155596</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>17</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Usuario.discreto</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>7</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing</meneame:url>
		<title>#17 Johnson &#38; Johnson probará la vacuna contra el VIH en EE.UU. y Europa [ing]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c017#c-17</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jul 2019 04:12:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Usuario.discreto</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c017#c-17</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:3155596-7" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c07#c-7" rel="nofollow">#7</a> <a class="tooltip c:3155596-16" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c016#c-16" rel="nofollow">#16</a> No conozco los procedimientos para eso, pero me extrañaría mucho que hagan creer a alguien que está &#34;presuntamente&#34; (si funciona la vacuna) protegido y no sea así. Pero ni idea.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Usuario.discreto</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>27392183</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>3155596</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>16</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>GanaderiaCuantica</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>1</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>20</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing</meneame:url>
		<title>#16 Johnson &#38; Johnson probará la vacuna contra el VIH en EE.UU. y Europa [ing]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c016#c-16</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jul 2019 03:33:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>GanaderiaCuantica</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c016#c-16</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:3155596-7" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c07#c-7" rel="nofollow">#7</a> Digo yo. Y entiendo que tras eso los mandan a todos a fornicar con otros que tienen el VIH para ver el patrón de contagios y eso. Es que si no, es tontería <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/troll.png" alt=":troll:" title=":troll:" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>GanaderiaCuantica</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>27392179</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>3155596</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>15</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--556934--</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>11</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing</meneame:url>
		<title>#15 Johnson &#38; Johnson probará la vacuna contra el VIH en EE.UU. y Europa [ing]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c015#c-15</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jul 2019 03:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--556934--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c015#c-15</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:3155596-4" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c04#c-4" rel="nofollow">#4</a> El Tylenol</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--556934--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>27392177</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>3155596</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>14</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--556934--</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>11</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing</meneame:url>
		<title>#14 Johnson &#38; Johnson probará la vacuna contra el VIH en EE.UU. y Europa [ing]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c014#c-14</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jul 2019 03:16:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--556934--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c014#c-14</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>Una gran noticia, una lastima los españesties de los comentarios anteriores no se alegren .</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--556934--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>27392176</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>3155596</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>13</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--193912--</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>6</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>53</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing</meneame:url>
		<title>#13 Johnson &#38; Johnson probará la vacuna contra el VIH en EE.UU. y Europa [ing]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c013#c-13</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jul 2019 03:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--193912--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c013#c-13</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:3155596-9" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c09#c-9" rel="nofollow">#9</a> <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/calzador.png" alt=":calzador:" title=":calzador:" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /> <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/calzador.png" alt=":calzador:" title=":calzador:" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /> <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/calzador.png" alt=":calzador:" title=":calzador:" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--193912--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>27392174</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>3155596</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>12</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Artok</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>10</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing</meneame:url>
		<title>#12 Johnson &#38; Johnson probará la vacuna contra el VIH en EE.UU. y Europa [ing]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c012#c-12</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jul 2019 03:09:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Artok</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c012#c-12</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:3155596-8" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c08#c-8" rel="nofollow">#8</a> vamos a probar esto, tú folla sin condon que  no pasará nada <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/troll.png" alt=":troll:" title=":troll:" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Artok</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>27392166</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>3155596</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>11</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Pedro_Bear</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>8</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>75</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing</meneame:url>
		<title>#11 Johnson &#38; Johnson probará la vacuna contra el VIH en EE.UU. y Europa [ing]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c011#c-11</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jul 2019 02:54:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Pedro_Bear</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c011#c-11</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:3155596-8" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c08#c-8" rel="nofollow">#8</a> donde hay una epidemia de VIH. Pues sí.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Pedro_Bear</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>27392161</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>3155596</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>10</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>DrData</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>1</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>17</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing</meneame:url>
		<title>#10 Johnson &#38; Johnson probará la vacuna contra el VIH en EE.UU. y Europa [ing]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c010#c-10</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jul 2019 02:35:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>DrData</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c010#c-10</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:3155596-3" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c03#c-3" rel="nofollow">#3</a> <a href="https://youtu.be/GQfSLnRE2Fg" title="youtu.be/GQfSLnRE2Fg" rel="nofollow">youtu.be/GQfSLnRE2Fg</a></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>DrData</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>27392157</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>3155596</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>9</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--601098--</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>13</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>-64</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing</meneame:url>
		<title>#9 Johnson &#38; Johnson probará la vacuna contra el VIH en EE.UU. y Europa [ing]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c09#c-9</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jul 2019 02:21:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--601098--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c09#c-9</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><i>&#34;Johnson &#38; Johnson&#34;</i>, una de las multinacionales lamebotas y <b>compinches del régimen asesino de Israel</b>.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--601098--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>27392118</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>3155596</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>8</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Ryo-99</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>2</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>27</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing</meneame:url>
		<title>#8 Johnson &#38; Johnson probará la vacuna contra el VIH en EE.UU. y Europa [ing]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c08#c-8</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jul 2019 01:31:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Ryo-99</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c08#c-8</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>Tenemos un tratamiento experimental. Vamos a probarlo masivamente en África a ver que pasa. <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/tinfoil.gif" alt=":tinfoil:" title=":tinfoil:" width="18" height="26" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Ryo-99</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>27392110</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>3155596</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>7</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>MDman</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>2</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>27</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing</meneame:url>
		<title>#7 Johnson &#38; Johnson probará la vacuna contra el VIH en EE.UU. y Europa [ing]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c07#c-7</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jul 2019 01:25:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>MDman</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c07#c-7</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>Duda. ¿En este tipo de ensayos se hace el doble ciego? ¿Habrá gente que creerá que esta protegida y solo le habrán inyectado suero?</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>MDman</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>27392084</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>3155596</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>6</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>pozoliu</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>1</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>19</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing</meneame:url>
		<title>#6 Johnson &#38; Johnson probará la vacuna contra el VIH en EE.UU. y Europa [ing]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c06#c-6</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jul 2019 01:10:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>pozoliu</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c06#c-6</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>Supongo que serán en forma de capsula como Family Guy lo predijo -&#62; <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prZXNhIG5js" title="www.youtube.com/watch?v=prZXNhIG5js" rel="nofollow">www.youtube.com/watch?v=prZXNhIG5js</a> toma toma  <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/troll.png" alt=":troll:" title=":troll:" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>pozoliu</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>27392000</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>3155596</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>5</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--273313--</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>5</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>19</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing</meneame:url>
		<title>#5 Johnson &#38; Johnson probará la vacuna contra el VIH en EE.UU. y Europa [ing]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c05#c-5</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jul 2019 00:12:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--273313--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c05#c-5</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:3155596-2" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c02#c-2" rel="nofollow">#2</a> ¿Talcos para bebés con amianto?</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--273313--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>27391297</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>3155596</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>4</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>LadyStorm</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>13</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>130</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing</meneame:url>
		<title>#4 Johnson &#38; Johnson probará la vacuna contra el VIH en EE.UU. y Europa [ing]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c04#c-4</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jul 2019 20:35:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>LadyStorm</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c04#c-4</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:3155596-1" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c01#c-1" rel="nofollow">#1</a> <a class="tooltip c:3155596-2" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c02#c-2" rel="nofollow">#2</a> <a class="tooltip c:3155596-3" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c03#c-3" rel="nofollow">#3</a> Y los del Frenadol, y del Fortasec, y del Micralax, y del Iniston, y del Zyrtec, y del Vispring y del.... Y eso hablando sólo de lo más conocido.<br />
<br />
<br />
Pd: sobre la noticia ... <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/cheesy.png" alt=":-&#62;" title=":-&#62;" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /> <br />
A ver qué resultados da.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>LadyStorm</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>27391236</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>3155596</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>3</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Whitefox</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>9</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>91</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing</meneame:url>
		<title>#3 Johnson &#38; Johnson probará la vacuna contra el VIH en EE.UU. y Europa [ing]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c03#c-3</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jul 2019 20:21:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Whitefox</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c03#c-3</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:3155596-2" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c02#c-2" rel="nofollow">#2</a> Y el champú que no te hacía llorar... pero sí.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Whitefox</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>27391101</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>3155596</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>2</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--352386--</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>10</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing</meneame:url>
		<title>#2 Johnson &#38; Johnson probará la vacuna contra el VIH en EE.UU. y Europa [ing]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c02#c-2</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jul 2019 19:58:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--352386--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c02#c-2</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:3155596-1" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c01#c-1" rel="nofollow">#1</a> la de los talcos.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--352386--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>27390973</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>3155596</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>1</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--82927--</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>1</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>14</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing</meneame:url>
		<title>#1 Johnson &#38; Johnson probará la vacuna contra el VIH en EE.UU. y Europa [ing]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/johnson-johnson-probara-vacuna-contra-vih-ee-uu-europa-ing/c01#c-1</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jul 2019 19:40:06 +0000</pubDate>
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