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		<meneame:order>48</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>atomarporculo</meneame:user>
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		<meneame:karma>6</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter</meneame:url>
		<title>#48 Llega C++ 17: Entrevista con Herb Sutter [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c048#c-48</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Oct 2017 14:42:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>atomarporculo</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c048#c-48</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:2848846-47" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c047#c-47" rel="nofollow">#47</a> Te lo compro, era por la broma.. hecho de menos el c++ ya que últimamente solo me salen trabajos en páginas web.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>atomarporculo</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>22950445</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>2848846</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>47</meneame:order>
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		<meneame:karma>18</meneame:karma>
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		<title>#47 Llega C++ 17: Entrevista con Herb Sutter [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c047#c-47</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Oct 2017 14:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--44542--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c047#c-47</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:2848846-27" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c027#c-27" rel="nofollow">#27</a> Nunca hagas eso. using namespace es el demonio. Para algo estan los namespace, para saber a cual pertenece cada clase y función.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--44542--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>22945316</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>2848846</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>46</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--555145--</meneame:user>
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		<meneame:karma>6</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter</meneame:url>
		<title>#46 Llega C++ 17: Entrevista con Herb Sutter [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c046#c-46</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Oct 2017 06:57:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--555145--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c046#c-46</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:2848846-41" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c041#c-41" rel="nofollow">#41</a> negativo sin querer...</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--555145--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>22939401</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>2848846</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>45</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--553711--</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>7</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter</meneame:url>
		<title>#45 Llega C++ 17: Entrevista con Herb Sutter [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c045#c-45</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2017 13:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--553711--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c045#c-45</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:2848846-44" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c044#c-44" rel="nofollow">#44</a> gcc 4.6 ???<br />
¿pero que es?¿para una placa ARM? <br />
<br />
con 4.8 puedes habilitar el soporte C++11 con  -std=gnu++11 y probar...<br />
<a href="https://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-4.8/cxx0x_status.html" title="gcc.gnu.org/gcc-4.8/cxx0x_status.html" rel="nofollow">gcc.gnu.org/gcc-4.8/cxx0x_status.html</a></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--553711--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>22939216</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>2848846</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>44</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Hopo</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>6</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter</meneame:url>
		<title>#44 Llega C++ 17: Entrevista con Herb Sutter [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c044#c-44</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2017 13:43:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Hopo</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c044#c-44</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:2848846-39" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c039#c-39" rel="nofollow">#39</a> Si por mi fuera usaría gcc-7 o clang-6 pero el código tiene que poder compilarse en versiones antiguas como gcc-4.8 como mínimo y no se si también gcc-4.6...<br />
<br />
La verdad es que C++ plus STL está creciendo tanto que ponerse al día es bastante complicado (comparado con C por ejemplo).</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Hopo</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>22937206</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>2848846</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>43</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>mr_b</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>13</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter</meneame:url>
		<title>#43 Llega C++ 17: Entrevista con Herb Sutter [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c043#c-43</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2017 10:55:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>mr_b</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c043#c-43</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:2848846-35" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c035#c-35" rel="nofollow">#35</a> Pues igual sí, disculpa.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>mr_b</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>22936521</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>2848846</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>42</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--553711--</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>7</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter</meneame:url>
		<title>#42 Llega C++ 17: Entrevista con Herb Sutter [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c042#c-42</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2017 09:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--553711--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c042#c-42</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:2848846-28" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c028#c-28" rel="nofollow">#28</a> creo que la cosa es todo lo contrario ... cada vez código más compacto, legible y mantenible...<br />
solo por despreocuparte de la gestión de memoria etc ...vale la pena</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--553711--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>22936507</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>2848846</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>41</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--553711--</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>1</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>1</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter</meneame:url>
		<title>#41 Llega C++ 17: Entrevista con Herb Sutter [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c041#c-41</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2017 09:56:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--553711--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c041#c-41</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:2848846-36" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c036#c-36" rel="nofollow">#36</a> si ...casi parece que sea boost el que suministre las nuevas funciones a C++</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--553711--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>22936502</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>2848846</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>40</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--553711--</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>7</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter</meneame:url>
		<title>#40 Llega C++ 17: Entrevista con Herb Sutter [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c040#c-40</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2017 09:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--553711--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c040#c-40</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:2848846-34" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c034#c-34" rel="nofollow">#34</a> no creo que sea así ...se adapta a los tiempos e implementa nuevas funciones de todos los lenguajes</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--553711--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>22936476</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>2848846</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>39</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--553711--</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>7</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter</meneame:url>
		<title>#39 Llega C++ 17: Entrevista con Herb Sutter [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c039#c-39</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2017 09:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--553711--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c039#c-39</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:2848846-20" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c020#c-20" rel="nofollow">#20</a> ¿que compilador usas?<br />
porque yo ya voy a saco con los proyectos viejos que mantengo y meto todo en C++11 ...más que nada, por joder...<br />
hay gente que ve un &#34;auto i;&#34; y flipa en colores <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/wink.png" alt=";)" title=";)" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--553711--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>22936437</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>2848846</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>38</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--553711--</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>7</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter</meneame:url>
		<title>#38 Llega C++ 17: Entrevista con Herb Sutter [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c038#c-38</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2017 09:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--553711--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c038#c-38</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:2848846-8" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c08#c-8" rel="nofollow">#8</a> pero nada de nada...<br />
cuando veo código VIsual C++ MFC ...flipo en colores... es chino mandarin.<br />
<br />
Modern C++ es otra cosa muy distinta (y mucho mejor, claro)</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--553711--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>22936317</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>2848846</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>37</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--543878--</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>7</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter</meneame:url>
		<title>#37 Llega C++ 17: Entrevista con Herb Sutter [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c037#c-37</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2017 09:42:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--543878--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c037#c-37</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:2848846-20" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c020#c-20" rel="nofollow">#20</a> Me pareces excesivamente optimista, quizás en después de 2 o 3 reencarnaciones puedas usarlo. <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/lol.gif" alt="xD" title=":lol: xD" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--543878--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>22935748</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>2848846</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>36</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--555145--</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>6</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter</meneame:url>
		<title>#36 Llega C++ 17: Entrevista con Herb Sutter [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c036#c-36</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2017 08:44:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--555145--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c036#c-36</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:2848846-34" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c034#c-34" rel="nofollow">#34</a> Todo eso puede estar en D pero también en C#. Ignoro quien es pionero en qué, simplemente en C++ son mucho más conservadores a la hora de implementar nuevas funciones (y está Boost para testear muchas de ellas).</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--555145--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>22935086</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:order>35</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--193560--</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>10</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter</meneame:url>
		<title>#35 Llega C++ 17: Entrevista con Herb Sutter [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c035#c-35</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2017 07:31:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--193560--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c035#c-35</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:2848846-32" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c032#c-32" rel="nofollow">#32</a> creo que me has citado mal, tanto en el número como en lo que dices que he dicho.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--193560--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>22935031</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:order>34</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>mr_b</meneame:user>
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		<meneame:karma>13</meneame:karma>
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		<title>#34 Llega C++ 17: Entrevista con Herb Sutter [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c034#c-34</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2017 07:27:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>mr_b</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c034#c-34</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>Me resulta especialmente curioso cómo el todopoderoso C++ lleva ya unos cuantos años absorbiendo características de <a href="http://dlang.org" title="dlang.org" rel="nofollow">D</a> y haciéndolas pasar como propias sin apenas dar crédito.<br />
<br />
Por ejemplo, lo que en C++ llaman <i>concepts</i>, en D llevan años usando con el nombre de restricciones (<a href="https://dlang.org/concepts.html" title="dlang.org/concepts.html" rel="nofollow"><i>constraints</i></a>). Y no son otra cosa que limitar las posibles instanciaciones de las plantillas (por ejemplo, que una plantilla sólo se pueda instanciar con un tipo de dato).<br />
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Lo mismo pasa con la <a href="https://dlang.org/spec/declaration.html#AutoDeclaration" title="dlang.org/spec/declaration.html#AutoDeclaration" rel="nofollow">deducción de parámetros devueltos (el famoso <i>auto</i> como tipo de dato al declarar variables)</a> y <a href="https://dlang.org/spec/template.html#argument_deduction" title="dlang.org/spec/template.html#argument_deduction" rel="nofollow">de tipos de datos en plantillas</a> (de lo que habla Sutter en la primera pregunta). O el <a href="https://dlang.org/spec/statement.html#ForeachStatement" title="dlang.org/spec/statement.html#ForeachStatement" rel="nofollow"><i>foreach</i></a> para arrays/ <a href="https://dlang.org/phobos/std_range.html" title="dlang.org/phobos/std_range.html" rel="nofollow">rangos</a> (en C++ sigue siendo un <i>for</i>, pero con otra sintaxis entre los paréntesis).<br />
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Y llegamos al futuro C++20: van a meter los conceptos (ya lo tiene D), la <a href="https://dlang.org/phobos/std_concurrency.html" title="dlang.org/phobos/std_concurrency.html" rel="nofollow">concurrencia (también lo tiene D)</a>, los rangos (pues también lo tiene D), <a href="https://dlang.org/phobos/core_thread.html#.Fiber" title="dlang.org/phobos/core_thread.html#.Fiber" rel="nofollow">corrutinas (también)</a>.<br />
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También os digo que Herb Sutter ha colaborado en el desarrollo de D, por lo que tampoco me extraña mucho que todas las cosas buenas que tiene D las metan en un lenguaje que tiene mucha más aceptación y está mucho más extendido.<br />
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Yo, como fan de D, prefiero D (evidentemente) aunque tenga muchísima menos aceptación. Es un lenguaje que, aunque es complejo, no llega, ni de lejos, a la complejidad que tiene C++ y sí llega (e incluso supera) a la potencia de este.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>mr_b</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>22934945</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>2848846</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>33</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>cosmonauta</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>12</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter</meneame:url>
		<title>#33 Llega C++ 17: Entrevista con Herb Sutter [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c033#c-33</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2017 07:15:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>cosmonauta</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c033#c-33</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:2848846-30" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c030#c-30" rel="nofollow">#30</a> Al resolverse en tiempo de ejecución son lentos y pueden dar fallos en runtme.<br />
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Por eso, en Go, son tan reacios a incluirlos. Uno de los objetivos de Go es generar código de calidad.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>cosmonauta</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>22934929</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>2848846</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>32</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>mr_b</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>13</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter</meneame:url>
		<title>#32 Llega C++ 17: Entrevista con Herb Sutter [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c032#c-32</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2017 07:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>mr_b</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c032#c-32</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:2848846-24" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c024#c-24" rel="nofollow">#24</a> Los genéricos (<i>generics</i> o <i>templates</i> en inglés) son una forma de generar código en tiempo de compilación. En C se hacía (y se hace) mediante macros. Si en C se define algo como:<br />
<br />
<i><a href="/search?w=comments&#38;q=%23define&#38;o=date">#define</a> MY_MACRO(x) call_to_my_special_function(x, x+1)</i><br />
<br />
todas las apariciones de <i>MY_MACRO</i> son resueltas por el preprocesador de C sustituyendo dicho valor por su contenido (<i>call_to…</i>). El problema de esto es que el compilador no tiene ni idea del símbolo <i>MY_MACRO</i>, ya que es resuelto por el preprocesador antes de que el compilador entre en juego. Esto conlleva ciertos problemas, como la ocultación de ciertos errores y el reporte de los mismos (se vuelve muy críptico).<br />
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Para solucionarlo se inventaron los generics, que no son más que una forma que tiene el compilador de generar código en tiempo de compilación, no de ejecución, al contrario de como dice <a class="tooltip c:2848846-24" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c024#c-24" rel="nofollow">#24</a>. Por ejemplo, si haces una función tipo:<br />
<br />
<i>template &#60;class T&#62;<br />
T process_value(T value) { … }</i><br />
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cuando instancias dicha plantilla de la forma:<br />
<br />
<i>auto value = process_value&#60;int&#62;(42);</i><br />
<br />
Lo que hace el compilador es generar este código:<br />
<br />
<i>int process_value(int value) { … }</i><br />
<br />
y compilarlo. Lo bueno que tiene esto es que sí es el compilador el que genera el código, por lo que siempre sabe qué ha pasado en caso de error. No se encuentra con cosas raras generadas previamente. Con esto se consigue que se detecten antes y mejor los errores y, sobre todo, que se le reporten a los programadores de una forma más clara (aunque también te digo que si se usan las <i>templates</i> de la STL te puedes volver loco con los errores, sobre todo en compiladores anteriores a C++11).</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>mr_b</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>22934850</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>2848846</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>31</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Davilinho</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>9</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter</meneame:url>
		<title>#31 Llega C++ 17: Entrevista con Herb Sutter [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c031#c-31</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2017 06:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Davilinho</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c031#c-31</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:2848846-24" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c024#c-24" rel="nofollow">#24</a> Es una forma abstracta de declarar un tipo. Un genérico puede adoptar cualquier forma.<br />
<br />
class MyClass&#60;T&#62; {<br />
   val variable: T<br />
}<br />
<br />
Si instancias MyClass, la variable T puede adoptar cualquier forma (Int, String, Bool, o incluso un objeto custom)</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Davilinho</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>22934651</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>2848846</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>30</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--193560--</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>10</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter</meneame:url>
		<title>#30 Llega C++ 17: Entrevista con Herb Sutter [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c030#c-30</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2017 06:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--193560--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c030#c-30</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:2848846-24" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c024#c-24" rel="nofollow">#24</a> son una especie de templates que tienen c#y java. Permiten por ejemplo crear una List&#60;&#62; una vez y luego la instancias con List&#60;int&#62; o List&#60;string&#62;  List&#60;lo_que_sea&#62;.<br />
A diferencia de los templates de c++, los generics no sé resuelven en tiempo de compilación, por lo que no son exactamente lo mismo y hay cosas que se pueden hacer con unos y no con los otros.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--193560--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>22934626</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>2848846</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>29</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--193560--</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>3</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>31</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter</meneame:url>
		<title>#29 Llega C++ 17: Entrevista con Herb Sutter [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c029#c-29</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2017 06:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--193560--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c029#c-29</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:2848846-26" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c026#c-26" rel="nofollow">#26</a> ya he dicho que era una refactorización. Ahora abre un ticket sí quieres cambiar la.funcionalidad <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/tongue.png" alt=":-P" title=":-P" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--193560--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>22934083</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>2848846</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>28</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Luk4s</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>1</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>19</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter</meneame:url>
		<title>#28 Llega C++ 17: Entrevista con Herb Sutter [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c028#c-28</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2017 00:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Luk4s</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c028#c-28</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>Jodo, pues para mí esto está desparramando cosa fina, cada vez veo el código más abstracto y menos legible.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Luk4s</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>22933894</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>2848846</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>27</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>atomarporculo</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>6</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter</meneame:url>
		<title>#27 Llega C++ 17: Entrevista con Herb Sutter [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c027#c-27</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2017 23:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>atomarporculo</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c027#c-27</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:2848846-12" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c012#c-12" rel="nofollow">#12</a> Que frikada de conversación jajja.. bueeno vale me apunto.. mejor: using namespace std; así solo tienes que poner cout &#60;&#60; &#34;texto&#34; &#60;&#60; endl;</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>atomarporculo</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>22933648</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>2848846</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>26</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>mgm2pi</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>6</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter</meneame:url>
		<title>#26 Llega C++ 17: Entrevista con Herb Sutter [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c026#c-26</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2017 22:02:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>mgm2pi</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c026#c-26</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:2848846-12" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c012#c-12" rel="nofollow">#12</a> te falta el std::endl <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/troll.png" alt=":troll:" title=":troll:" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>mgm2pi</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>22933643</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>2848846</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>25</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>jmpep</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>6</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter</meneame:url>
		<title>#25 Llega C++ 17: Entrevista con Herb Sutter [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c025#c-25</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2017 22:00:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>jmpep</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c025#c-25</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>He aquí un resumen de novedades que está bastante bien -&#62; <a href="https://www.viva64.com/en/b/0533/#ID0EXCAC" title="www.viva64.com/en/b/0533/#ID0EXCAC" rel="nofollow">www.viva64.com/en/b/0533/#ID0EXCAC</a></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>jmpep</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>22933607</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>2848846</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>24</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>llorencs</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>10</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter</meneame:url>
		<title>#24 Llega C++ 17: Entrevista con Herb Sutter [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c024#c-24</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2017 21:51:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>llorencs</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c024#c-24</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:2848846-16" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c016#c-16" rel="nofollow">#16</a> Pregunta ignorante: ¿Qué son genéricos?</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>llorencs</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>22933247</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>2848846</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>23</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--100823--</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>1</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>12</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter</meneame:url>
		<title>#23 Llega C++ 17: Entrevista con Herb Sutter [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c023#c-23</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2017 20:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--100823--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c023#c-23</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:2848846-14" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c014#c-14" rel="nofollow">#14</a> omg, no me di cuenta. Maldito dedo salchicha... <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/lol.gif" alt="xD" title=":lol: xD" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--100823--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>22933057</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>2848846</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>22</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--13675--</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>9</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter</meneame:url>
		<title>#22 Llega C++ 17: Entrevista con Herb Sutter [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c022#c-22</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2017 20:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--13675--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c022#c-22</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>Coincido en que las mejoras que mas se notan y se usan en el dia a dia son las que ayudan a escribir un codigo mas sencillo y menos propenso a errores (ranged for loops, auto, lambdas, constructores en miembros de clase...).<br />
Si por ahi va a ir evolucionando el lenguaje, bienvenido sea (por ejemplo lo de poder declarar variables dentro de un switch)</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--13675--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>22933035</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>2848846</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>21</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--193560--</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>9</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter</meneame:url>
		<title>#21 Llega C++ 17: Entrevista con Herb Sutter [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c021#c-21</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2017 20:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--193560--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c021#c-21</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:2848846-20" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c020#c-20" rel="nofollow">#20</a> Bueno,  C++98 es más que C++17 <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/troll.png" alt=":troll:" title=":troll:" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--193560--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>22932984</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>2848846</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>20</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Hopo</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>6</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter</meneame:url>
		<title>#20 Llega C++ 17: Entrevista con Herb Sutter [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c020#c-20</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2017 20:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Hopo</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c020#c-20</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>En mi curro aún se usa C++98 <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/foreveralone.png" alt=":foreveralone:" title=":foreveralone:" width="20" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" />. El dia que pueda usar C++17 creo que ya estaré cerca de la jubilación <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/troll.png" alt=":troll:" title=":troll:" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" />.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Hopo</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>22932970</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>2848846</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>19</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--193560--</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>3</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>33</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter</meneame:url>
		<title>#19 Llega C++ 17: Entrevista con Herb Sutter [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c019#c-19</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2017 20:01:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--193560--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c019#c-19</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:2848846-17" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c017#c-17" rel="nofollow">#17</a> Yo no me meto en los requisitos. Me limito a reimplementar el código original en C++ <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/grin.png" alt=":-D" title=":-D" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--193560--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>22932952</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>2848846</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>18</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Hopo</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>1</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>9</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter</meneame:url>
		<title>#18 Llega C++ 17: Entrevista con Herb Sutter [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c018#c-18</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2017 19:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Hopo</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c018#c-18</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:2848846-10" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c010#c-10" rel="nofollow">#10</a> Espero que de  C++20 no pase porque tiene muy buena pinta.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Hopo</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>22932943</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>2848846</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>17</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Observer</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>1</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>9</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter</meneame:url>
		<title>#17 Llega C++ 17: Entrevista con Herb Sutter [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c017#c-17</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2017 19:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Observer</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c017#c-17</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:2848846-12" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c012#c-12" rel="nofollow">#12</a>  <a class="tooltip c:2848846-11" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c011#c-11" rel="nofollow">#11</a> No estaría de mas añadir el cambio de linea, ademas de comenzar con mayúscula y el punto final.<br />
<br />
También falta el return en ese código c.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Observer</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>22932767</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>2848846</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>16</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>RubiaDereBote</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>1</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>25</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter</meneame:url>
		<title>#16 Llega C++ 17: Entrevista con Herb Sutter [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c016#c-16</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2017 19:31:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>RubiaDereBote</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c016#c-16</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:2848846-9" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c09#c-9" rel="nofollow">#9</a> Golang es una basura, no tiene genéricos.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>RubiaDereBote</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>22932719</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>2848846</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>15</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--44542--</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>2</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>18</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter</meneame:url>
		<title>#15 Llega C++ 17: Entrevista con Herb Sutter [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c015#c-15</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2017 19:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--44542--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c015#c-15</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:2848846-11" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c011#c-11" rel="nofollow">#11</a> wtf has usado C <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/grin.png" alt=":-D" title=":-D" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--44542--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>22932559</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>2848846</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>14</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Irundiel</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>2</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>21</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter</meneame:url>
		<title>#14 Llega C++ 17: Entrevista con Herb Sutter [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c014#c-14</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2017 19:01:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Irundiel</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c014#c-14</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:2848846-13" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c013#c-13" rel="nofollow">#13</a> el diccionario ya ha sido absorbido <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/troll.png" alt=":troll:" title=":troll:" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /> (no he podido evitarlo, lo siento, yo tb me voy)</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Irundiel</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>22932538</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>2848846</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>13</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--100823--</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>11</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>79</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter</meneame:url>
		<title>#13 Llega C++ 17: Entrevista con Herb Sutter [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c013#c-13</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2017 18:57:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--100823--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c013#c-13</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>Espero que no sea absorvida junto con C++18 por C++elula.<br />
<br />
Ya me voy, ya.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--100823--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>22932478</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>2848846</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>12</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--193560--</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>15</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>111</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter</meneame:url>
		<title>#12 Llega C++ 17: Entrevista con Herb Sutter [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c012#c-12</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2017 18:50:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--193560--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c012#c-12</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:2848846-11" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c011#c-11" rel="nofollow">#11</a>  prueba mejor así, que la noticia es de C++17 no de C<br />
<a href="/search?w=comments&#38;q=%23include&#38;o=date">#include</a> &#60;iostream&#62;<br />
int main()<br />
{<br />
    std::cout &#60;&#60; &#34;he llegado, versión 17&#34;;<br />
    return 0;<br />
}</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--193560--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>22932349</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>2848846</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>11</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>CrudaVerdad</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>3</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>-10</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter</meneame:url>
		<title>#11 Llega C++ 17: Entrevista con Herb Sutter [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c011#c-11</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2017 18:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>CrudaVerdad</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c011#c-11</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a href="/search?w=comments&#38;q=%23include&#38;o=date">#include</a> &#60;stdio.h&#62;<br />
void main(){<br />
printf(&#34;he llegado, versión 17&#34;);<br />
}</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>CrudaVerdad</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>22932278</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>2848846</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>10</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>ccguy</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>20</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter</meneame:url>
		<title>#10 Llega C++ 17: Entrevista con Herb Sutter [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c010#c-10</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2017 18:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>ccguy</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c010#c-10</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:2848846-6" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c06#c-6" rel="nofollow">#6</a> No. Pero están en el primer borrador de C++20.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>ccguy</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>22932273</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>2848846</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>9</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>ktzar</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>1</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>12</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter</meneame:url>
		<title>#9 Llega C++ 17: Entrevista con Herb Sutter [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c09#c-9</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2017 18:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>ktzar</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c09#c-9</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>Me sigue alucinando lo fresco que se siente Golang siendo un lenguaje tan sumamente sencillo. Cada vez que veo las &#34;nuevas características&#34; en Python, Ruby, Javascript, o C++ se me pone la piel de gallina.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>ktzar</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>22932263</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>2848846</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>8</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>squanchy</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>10</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter</meneame:url>
		<title>#8 Llega C++ 17: Entrevista con Herb Sutter [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c08#c-8</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2017 18:22:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>squanchy</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c08#c-8</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:2848846-4" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c04#c-4" rel="nofollow">#4</a> Yo he trabajado varios años con Visual C++, pero con las MFCs, no tiene nada que ver con el C++ estándar.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>squanchy</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>22932224</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>2848846</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>7</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>raul_lapeira</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>9</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter</meneame:url>
		<title>#7 Llega C++ 17: Entrevista con Herb Sutter [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c07#c-7</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2017 18:18:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>raul_lapeira</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c07#c-7</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>Jose Daniel Garcia que crack <a href="http://www.inf.uc3m.es/component/comprofiler/userprofile/jdgarcia" title="www.inf.uc3m.es/component/comprofiler/userprofile/jdgarcia" rel="nofollow">www.inf.uc3m.es/component/comprofiler/userprofile/jdgarcia</a></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>raul_lapeira</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>22932204</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>2848846</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>6</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Hopo</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>1</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>26</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter</meneame:url>
		<title>#6 Llega C++ 17: Entrevista con Herb Sutter [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c06#c-6</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2017 18:16:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Hopo</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c06#c-6</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>Los conceps no entraron en c++17 verdad?</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Hopo</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>22932186</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>2848846</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>5</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>LeDYoM</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>2</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>31</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter</meneame:url>
		<title>#5 Llega C++ 17: Entrevista con Herb Sutter [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c05#c-5</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2017 18:14:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>LeDYoM</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c05#c-5</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>Yo ya lo uso.<br />
<a class="tooltip c:2848846-1" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c01#c-1" rel="nofollow">#1</a> <a href="https://stackoverflow.com/questions/38060436/what-are-the-new-features-in-c17" title="stackoverflow.com/questions/38060436/what-are-the-new-features-in-c17" rel="nofollow">stackoverflow.com/questions/38060436/what-are-the-new-features-in-c17</a><br />
Visual Studio 2017.4 Lo implementa en buena parte, pero GCC también.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>LeDYoM</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>22932165</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>2848846</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>4</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>albandy</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>10</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter</meneame:url>
		<title>#4 Llega C++ 17: Entrevista con Herb Sutter [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c04#c-4</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2017 18:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>albandy</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c04#c-4</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:2848846-2" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c02#c-2" rel="nofollow">#2</a> No he tocado el C++ desde que acabe la carrera.<br />
Trabajando he tocado C, PHP, JS, Java y C# pero C++ no he tenido la ocasión.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>albandy</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>22932128</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>2848846</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>3</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--489401--</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>1</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>20</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter</meneame:url>
		<title>#3 Llega C++ 17: Entrevista con Herb Sutter [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c03#c-3</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2017 18:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--489401--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c03#c-3</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>Llega Pxx 76: Entrevista con Jose Garcia.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--489401--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>22932127</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>2848846</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>2</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>squanchy</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>10</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter</meneame:url>
		<title>#2 Llega C++ 17: Entrevista con Herb Sutter [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c02#c-2</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2017 18:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>squanchy</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c02#c-2</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>Profesionalmente, sólo he programado en ANSI C++ dos veces en toda mi vida, una vez para hacer un CGI en un servidor, y otra para implementar un plugin NPAPI. Todo lo demás han sido lenguajes visuales o javascript.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>squanchy</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>22932113</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>2848846</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>1</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--44542--</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>1</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>32</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter</meneame:url>
		<title>#1 Llega C++ 17: Entrevista con Herb Sutter [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c01#c-1</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2017 18:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--44542--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/llega-c-17-entrevista-herb-sutter/c01#c-1</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>Por lo que he visto por encima Las cambios más importantes son en la STD más que en él núcleo del luenguaje.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--44542--</strong></p>]]></description>
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