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		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/99-microbios-son-desconocidos-ciencia</meneame:url>
		<title>#12 El 99% de los microbios son desconocidos para la ciencia</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/99-microbios-son-desconocidos-ciencia/c012#c-12</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Aug 2017 20:08:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>oereat</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:2818083-11" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/99-microbios-son-desconocidos-ciencia/c011#c-11" rel="nofollow">#11</a> Repetiré, lee el artículo completo o al menos lo que he copiado para ti en el comentario anterior. <br />
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Un dato importante: 100-1=99</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>oereat</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>22421949</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>2818083</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>11</meneame:order>
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		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/99-microbios-son-desconocidos-ciencia</meneame:url>
		<title>#11 El 99% de los microbios son desconocidos para la ciencia</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/99-microbios-son-desconocidos-ciencia/c011#c-11</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Aug 2017 16:51:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--198199--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/99-microbios-son-desconocidos-ciencia/c011#c-11</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:2818083-10" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/99-microbios-son-desconocidos-ciencia/c010#c-10" rel="nofollow">#10</a> Sí, lo he leido. Y en ningún sitio afirma que el 99% de los microbios sean desconocidos. En ningún sitio.<br />
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Así que no le des más vueltas. Errónea, irrelevante... elije tú mismo.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--198199--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>22421904</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>2818083</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>10</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>oereat</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>1</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>19</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/99-microbios-son-desconocidos-ciencia</meneame:url>
		<title>#10 El 99% de los microbios son desconocidos para la ciencia</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/99-microbios-son-desconocidos-ciencia/c010#c-10</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Aug 2017 16:41:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>oereat</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/99-microbios-son-desconocidos-ciencia/c010#c-10</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:2818083-9" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/99-microbios-son-desconocidos-ciencia/c09#c-9" rel="nofollow">#9</a> Te voy a dar las gracias porque el mundo no sería el mismo sin tus cómicos aportes. <br />
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¿Qué dice el articulo original?<br />
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<i>We sequenced a total of 37 billion molecules from the 1,351 samples of cfDNA, of which 95% of reads passed quality control. Of these, an average of 0.45% did not align to the reference human genome (GRCh38) (Fig. 1A, Left), in line with our expectations of the nonhuman DNA sources in the body. Of these putatively nonhuman reads, only approximately 1% could be identified in a curated microbiome database of almost 8,000 species of known bacteria, viruses, fungi, and eukaryotic pathogens (Fig. 1B, Left). This miniscule fraction of reads encompasses the known microbiome. Less than 1,800 known species (800 known genera) are observed across all samples. The rarefaction curve of species prevalence quickly plateaus, and the species abundance distribution has only a slight positive skew (SI Appendix, Fig. S1). These both indicate that the number of known species we measure has saturated (20), and deeper or broader sequencing of cfDNA from humans is unlikely to substantially increase the richness of known species.</i><br />
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El artículo está bien y no tiene ningún error de bulto. El error tampoco está en el becario de nmas1.org.<br />
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Ahora me pregunto, ¿has leído por completo el artículo?. Dale, ahora tómate tu tiempo. Lee algo más que el abstract.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>oereat</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>22421814</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:order>9</meneame:order>
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		<title>#9 El 99% de los microbios son desconocidos para la ciencia</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/99-microbios-son-desconocidos-ciencia/c09#c-9</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Aug 2017 16:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--198199--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/99-microbios-son-desconocidos-ciencia/c09#c-9</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:2818083-8" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/99-microbios-son-desconocidos-ciencia/c08#c-8" rel="nofollow">#8</a> Título del artículo en el PNAS ese:<br />
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<i>Numerous uncharacterized and highly divergent microbes which colonize humans are revealed by circulating cell-free DNA</i><br />
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Apariciones de &#34;99%&#34; en el articulo original:<br />
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Cero<br />
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Entonces, ¿qué dice el artículo original?<br />
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<i>Blood circulates throughout the human body and contains molecules drawn from virtually every tissue, including the microbes and viruses which colonize the body. Through massive shotgun sequencing of circulating cell-free DNA from the blood, we identified hundreds of new bacteria and viruses which represent previously unidentified members of the human microbiome. Analyzing cumulative sequence data from 1,351 blood samples collected from 188 patients enabled us to assemble 7,190 contiguous regions (contigs) larger than 1 kbp, of which 3,761 are novel with little or no sequence homology in any existing databases. The vast majority of these novel contigs possess coding sequences, and we have validated their existence both by finding their presence in independent experiments and by performing direct PCR amplification. When their nearest neighbors are located in the tree of life, many of the organisms represent entirely novel taxa, showing that microbial diversity within the human body is substantially broader than previously appreciated.</i><br />
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El artículo está bien y no tiene ningún error de bulto. El error está en el becario de nmas1.org que se ha sacado el titular de la manga.<br />
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No hace falta que me des las gracias.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--198199--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>22421403</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:order>8</meneame:order>
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		<title>#8 El 99% de los microbios son desconocidos para la ciencia</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/99-microbios-son-desconocidos-ciencia/c08#c-8</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Aug 2017 15:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>oereat</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/99-microbios-son-desconocidos-ciencia/c08#c-8</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:2818083-5" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/99-microbios-son-desconocidos-ciencia/c05#c-5" rel="nofollow">#5</a> Lo siento, supongo que todos los del PNAS (Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences) nunca se dieron cuenta de semejante barbaridad. Gracias al cielo te tenemos a ti. Nos has salvado a todos. radioman is laif, radioman is lof.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>oereat</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>22421374</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:order>7</meneame:order>
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		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/99-microbios-son-desconocidos-ciencia</meneame:url>
		<title>#7 El 99% de los microbios son desconocidos para la ciencia</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/99-microbios-son-desconocidos-ciencia/c07#c-7</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Aug 2017 15:05:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>ctrlaltsupr1</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/99-microbios-son-desconocidos-ciencia/c07#c-7</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:2818083-3" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/99-microbios-son-desconocidos-ciencia/c03#c-3" rel="nofollow">#3</a> mata &#34;hasta&#34; el 99,9 % de los ...</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>ctrlaltsupr1</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>22421372</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:order>6</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>tusitala</meneame:user>
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		<meneame:karma>10</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/99-microbios-son-desconocidos-ciencia</meneame:url>
		<title>#6 El 99% de los microbios son desconocidos para la ciencia</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/99-microbios-son-desconocidos-ciencia/c06#c-6</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Aug 2017 15:04:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>tusitala</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/99-microbios-son-desconocidos-ciencia/c06#c-6</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>99% de posibilidades de encontrar alguna medicina ahí.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>tusitala</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>22421361</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:order>5</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--198199--</meneame:user>
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		<meneame:karma>11</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/99-microbios-son-desconocidos-ciencia</meneame:url>
		<title>#5 El 99% de los microbios son desconocidos para la ciencia</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/99-microbios-son-desconocidos-ciencia/c05#c-5</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Aug 2017 15:03:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--198199--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/99-microbios-son-desconocidos-ciencia/c05#c-5</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>No se puede poner porcentaje a lo desconocido, pues implica que se conocen cuantos hay. Errónea.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--198199--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>22421207</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:order>4</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>oereat</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>8</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/99-microbios-son-desconocidos-ciencia</meneame:url>
		<title>#4 El 99% de los microbios son desconocidos para la ciencia</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/99-microbios-son-desconocidos-ciencia/c04#c-4</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Aug 2017 14:34:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>oereat</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/99-microbios-son-desconocidos-ciencia/c04#c-4</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:2818083-3" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/99-microbios-son-desconocidos-ciencia/c03#c-3" rel="nofollow">#3</a> El 99.99% (del 1% conocido) de microbios</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>oereat</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>22421173</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:order>3</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--430178--</meneame:user>
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		<meneame:karma>8</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/99-microbios-son-desconocidos-ciencia</meneame:url>
		<title>#3 El 99% de los microbios son desconocidos para la ciencia</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/99-microbios-son-desconocidos-ciencia/c03#c-3</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Aug 2017 14:28:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--430178--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/99-microbios-son-desconocidos-ciencia/c03#c-3</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>El 99% de los microbios son desconocidos. Aun así nuestro producto mata el 99.99% de los microbios.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--430178--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>22421164</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:order>2</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--354522--</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>1</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>22</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/99-microbios-son-desconocidos-ciencia</meneame:url>
		<title>#2 El 99% de los microbios son desconocidos para la ciencia</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/99-microbios-son-desconocidos-ciencia/c02#c-2</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Aug 2017 14:27:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--354522--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/99-microbios-son-desconocidos-ciencia/c02#c-2</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>El 99% de todo es desconocido para la ciencia, pero con el 1% restante se han hecho grandes negocios.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--354522--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>22421127</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:order>1</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Izaga</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>20</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/99-microbios-son-desconocidos-ciencia</meneame:url>
		<title>#1 El 99% de los microbios son desconocidos para la ciencia</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/99-microbios-son-desconocidos-ciencia/c01#c-1</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Aug 2017 14:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Izaga</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/99-microbios-son-desconocidos-ciencia/c01#c-1</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>Y sus innumerables mutaciones</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Izaga</strong></p>]]></description>
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