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		<meneame:comment_id>13950164</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:order>14</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>tark</meneame:user>
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		<title>#14 Who needs Christ during Christmas?. Nobody [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/who-needs-christ-during-christmas-nobody-eng/c014#c-14</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Dec 2013 17:02:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>tark</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturnales" title="es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturnales" rel="nofollow">es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturnales</a></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>tark</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>13949712</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>2072002</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>13</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Sulfolobus_Solfataricus</meneame:user>
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		<title>#13 Who needs Christ during Christmas?. Nobody [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/who-needs-christ-during-christmas-nobody-eng/c013#c-13</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Dec 2013 14:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Sulfolobus_Solfataricus</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/who-needs-christ-during-christmas-nobody-eng/c013#c-13</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:2072002-12" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/who-needs-christ-during-christmas-nobody-eng/c012#c-12" rel="nofollow">#12</a> como dije en <a class="tooltip c:2072002-11" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/who-needs-christ-during-christmas-nobody-eng/c011#c-11" rel="nofollow">#11</a>, muchas culturas celebran algo religioso en esas fechas por ser el comienzo de días más luminosos. El cristianismo también decidió colocar el &#34;nacimiento de la luz&#34; ahí con toda intención, pero es una fiesta en esencia y en nombre completamente diferente. <br />
<br />
No es una reforma, es una alternativa, por eso digo que se puede celebrar otra cosa. Pero no llamándola Navidad, o queriendo negar la Navidad para ello. Estos ateos lo que están diciendo es que sigamos con la misma fiesta pero negando su origen, no creando otra. Y encima apelando a la necesidad, que es ya el colmo del absurdo.<br />
<br />
No hay una única cosa que se pueda llamar &#34;solsticio de invierno&#34;, y sí una única cosa que pueda llamarse &#34;Navidad&#34;.<br />
<br />
Por cierto, el solsticio es más o menos el día 21.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Sulfolobus_Solfataricus</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>13949676</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>2072002</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>12</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>DarkJuanMi</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>6</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/who-needs-christ-during-christmas-nobody-eng</meneame:url>
		<title>#12 Who needs Christ during Christmas?. Nobody [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/who-needs-christ-during-christmas-nobody-eng/c012#c-12</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Dec 2013 14:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>DarkJuanMi</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/who-needs-christ-during-christmas-nobody-eng/c012#c-12</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:2072002-9" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/who-needs-christ-during-christmas-nobody-eng/c09#c-9" rel="nofollow">#9</a> Te recuerdo que la Navidad es en realidad el &#34;El solsticio de invierno&#34;, y que fue la iglesia católica la que la cambió para evitarla, con lo que tu argumento se puede cambiar justo al revés: Si no te gusta el solsticio de invierno celebra otra cosa o vete a trabajar, pero deja de dar la tabarra intentando cristianizar fiestas paganas.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>DarkJuanMi</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>13949665</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>2072002</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>11</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Sulfolobus_Solfataricus</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>10</meneame:karma>
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		<title>#11 Who needs Christ during Christmas?. Nobody [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/who-needs-christ-during-christmas-nobody-eng/c011#c-11</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Dec 2013 14:04:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Sulfolobus_Solfataricus</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/who-needs-christ-during-christmas-nobody-eng/c011#c-11</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:2072002-5" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/who-needs-christ-during-christmas-nobody-eng/c05#c-5" rel="nofollow">#5</a> Y el solsticio de invierno también era una fiesta con significado religioso, que no se te olvide. Además, no era una única celebración, muchas culturas eligen esas fechas.<br />
<br />
Añado que si casi 2000 años no son ya algo &#34;de toda la vida&#34; y más aún teniendo en cuenta que tu cultura está mil veces más conectada con el cristianismo que con las religiones precristianas europeas... no entiendo tu sentimiento de pérdida.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Sulfolobus_Solfataricus</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>13949629</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>2072002</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>10</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Marcosquillas</meneame:user>
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		<meneame:karma>6</meneame:karma>
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		<title>#10 Who needs Christ during Christmas?. Nobody [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/who-needs-christ-during-christmas-nobody-eng/c010#c-10</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Dec 2013 13:51:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Marcosquillas</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Y ésto es lo que pasa cuando el ateismo, se convierte en otra religión.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Marcosquillas</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>13949557</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>2072002</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>9</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Sulfolobus_Solfataricus</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>10</meneame:karma>
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		<title>#9 Who needs Christ during Christmas?. Nobody [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/who-needs-christ-during-christmas-nobody-eng/c09#c-9</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Dec 2013 13:28:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Sulfolobus_Solfataricus</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/who-needs-christ-during-christmas-nobody-eng/c09#c-9</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>Lo de las campañas de ateísmo es algo así como un montón de gente acomplejada diciendo que son mejores con argumentos absurdos.<br />
<br />
No, la Navidad no es una necesidad física imprescindible. Como tampoco lo es tener vacaciones precisamente en esas fechas, la caridad que proponen como alternativa, la reunión social familiar, celebrar cumpleaños, honrar a los muertos, convencer a la gente de tu ateísmo, votar o creer la teoría de la evolución siendo un labriego de Arkansas.<br />
Jesucristo es para la Navidad, tal y como se entiende en Occidente, el significado. Que sí, que mucha gente lo ha olvidado. Si no te gusta el origen de la Navidad celebra otra cosa, o nada y ve a trabajar. Pero deja de dar la tabarra intentando descristianizar fiestas cristianas.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Sulfolobus_Solfataricus</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>13949475</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>2072002</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>8</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--188054--</meneame:user>
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		<meneame:karma>10</meneame:karma>
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		<title>#8 Who needs Christ during Christmas?. Nobody [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/who-needs-christ-during-christmas-nobody-eng/c08#c-8</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Dec 2013 13:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--188054--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/who-needs-christ-during-christmas-nobody-eng/c08#c-8</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:2072002-7" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/who-needs-christ-during-christmas-nobody-eng/c07#c-7" rel="nofollow">#7</a> Sí, si eso lo he pillado a la primera <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/lol.gif" alt="xD" title=":lol: xD" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /><br />
<br />
Sigues sin <em>necesitarlo</em> <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/tongue.png" alt=":-P" title=":-P" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /><br />
<br />
La cuestión es si esa no-necesidad es como &#34;una persona no necesita un techo&#34; o &#34;un pez no necesita una bicicleta&#34; <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/smiley.png" alt=":-)" title=":-)" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--188054--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>13949459</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>2072002</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>7</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--397760--</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>1</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>20</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/who-needs-christ-during-christmas-nobody-eng</meneame:url>
		<title>#7 Who needs Christ during Christmas?. Nobody [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/who-needs-christ-during-christmas-nobody-eng/c07#c-7</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Dec 2013 12:58:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--397760--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/who-needs-christ-during-christmas-nobody-eng/c07#c-7</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>[Usuario deshabilitado]</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--397760--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>13949434</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>2072002</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>6</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--188054--</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>10</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/who-needs-christ-during-christmas-nobody-eng</meneame:url>
		<title>#6 Who needs Christ during Christmas?. Nobody [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/who-needs-christ-during-christmas-nobody-eng/c06#c-6</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Dec 2013 12:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--188054--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/who-needs-christ-during-christmas-nobody-eng/c06#c-6</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:2072002-1" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/who-needs-christ-during-christmas-nobody-eng/c01#c-1" rel="nofollow">#1</a> Necesitarlo, no lo necesitas. Otra cosa es que quieras ponerlo, pero eso ya es un tema aparte.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--188054--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>13949406</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>2072002</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>5</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>sleep_timer</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>10</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/who-needs-christ-during-christmas-nobody-eng</meneame:url>
		<title>#5 Who needs Christ during Christmas?. Nobody [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/who-needs-christ-during-christmas-nobody-eng/c05#c-5</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Dec 2013 12:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>sleep_timer</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/who-needs-christ-during-christmas-nobody-eng/c05#c-5</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>Vamos, lo que viene siendo Solsticio de Invierno de toda la vida, hasta que se lo apropiaron los católicos.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>sleep_timer</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>13949398</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:order>4</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--247620--</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>9</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/who-needs-christ-during-christmas-nobody-eng</meneame:url>
		<title>#4 Who needs Christ during Christmas?. Nobody [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/who-needs-christ-during-christmas-nobody-eng/c04#c-4</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Dec 2013 12:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--247620--</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>[Usuario deshabilitado]</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--247620--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>13949382</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>2072002</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>3</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>tsunamo</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>9</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/who-needs-christ-during-christmas-nobody-eng</meneame:url>
		<title>#3 Who needs Christ during Christmas?. Nobody [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/who-needs-christ-during-christmas-nobody-eng/c03#c-3</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Dec 2013 12:41:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>tsunamo</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/who-needs-christ-during-christmas-nobody-eng/c03#c-3</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:2072002-2" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/who-needs-christ-during-christmas-nobody-eng/c02#c-2" rel="nofollow">#2</a> La verdad es que es casi mejor que hablen de cosas que pasaron hace siglos ... porque algunos se han dado cuenta de que cuando hablan de cosas de actualidad, si lo hacen utilizando los argumentos oficiales de la Iglesia ... cada vez pierden más &#34;clientes&#34;.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>tsunamo</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>13949369</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>2072002</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>2</meneame:order>
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		<meneame:karma>15</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/who-needs-christ-during-christmas-nobody-eng</meneame:url>
		<title>#2 Who needs Christ during Christmas?. Nobody [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/who-needs-christ-during-christmas-nobody-eng/c02#c-2</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Dec 2013 12:39:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--247620--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/who-needs-christ-during-christmas-nobody-eng/c02#c-2</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>[Usuario deshabilitado]</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--247620--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>13949354</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>2072002</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>1</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--397760--</meneame:user>
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		<title>#1 Who needs Christ during Christmas?. Nobody [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/who-needs-christ-during-christmas-nobody-eng/c01#c-1</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Dec 2013 12:34:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--397760--</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>[Usuario deshabilitado]</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--397760--</strong></p>]]></description>
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