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		<meneame:order>51</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>deabru</meneame:user>
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		<title>#51 Sony presenta la PlayStation 4 [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c051#c-51</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jun 2013 22:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:1944757-46" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c046#c-46" rel="nofollow">#46</a> dicen que para 2016 <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/lol.gif" alt="xD" title=":lol: xD" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /> <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/lol.gif" alt="xD" title=":lol: xD" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /> <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/lol.gif" alt="xD" title=":lol: xD" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>deabru</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>13012674</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1944757</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>50</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Frippertronic</meneame:user>
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		<meneame:karma>9</meneame:karma>
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		<title>#50 Sony presenta la PlayStation 4 [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c050#c-50</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jun 2013 19:38:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Frippertronic</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:1944757-49" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c049#c-49" rel="nofollow">#49</a> No había pensado en eso <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/tongue.png" alt=":-P" title=":-P" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Frippertronic</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>13012569</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1944757</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>49</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>formulauno</meneame:user>
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		<title>#49 Sony presenta la PlayStation 4 [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c049#c-49</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jun 2013 19:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>formulauno</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:1944757-48" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c048#c-48" rel="nofollow">#48</a><br />
Pero las consolas no fabrican en estados unidos<br />
Si hablamos de precios de los precios en usa vs precios en europa, tendremos que comparar lo que nos cuesta traer los productos a usa a traerlos a europa<br />
Los de usa tendran que pagar por llevar las cosas desde china a usa y los europeos para llevarlos de china a europa<br />
<br />
<b>Desde Whenzou el mayor puerto de china hasta amsterdam</b><br />
Sea transit time: 30 days 12 hours<br />
Time in the port of transshipment: 14 days<br />
Arrival to the port of discharge: 24 hours<br />
Distance: 10249.76 nautical miles (18982.55 km)<br />
<br />
<b>Desde Whenzu a Los angeles</b><br />
 Sea transit time: 17 days 9 hours<br />
Time in the port of transshipment: 14 days<br />
Arrival to the port of discharge: 24 hours<br />
Distance: 5844.21 nautical miles (10823.48 km)<br />
<br />
Aunque creo que los productos de china salen desde Shenzen, pero como decia, a casi el doble de trayecto y tiempo, hay que sumarle el precio por cruzar el canal<br />
<br />
Aparte, la gasolina sale mas cara en europa que en usa, por lo que la distribucion por tierra es mas barata alli<br />
<br />
<br />
Sumale las garantias que tienen que ofrecer en Europa y descubrireis que en Europa igual tenian que salir mas caras las consolas que en USA</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>formulauno</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>13010961</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:order>48</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Frippertronic</meneame:user>
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		<title>#48 Sony presenta la PlayStation 4 [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c048#c-48</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jun 2013 14:34:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Frippertronic</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c048#c-48</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:1944757-47" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c047#c-47" rel="nofollow">#47</a> ¿El canal de Suez para ir de USA a Europa? ¿Qué recorrido hacen esos barcos? ¿Cruzan el Pacífico, el Índico, el Mar Rojo, y el Mediterráneo? <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/confused.png" alt=":-S" title=":-S :S" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /><br />
<br />
No soy un experto en logística, desde luego, pero a simple vista un pensaría que es mucho mejor cruzar el Atlántico</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Frippertronic</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>13010763</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:order>47</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>formulauno</meneame:user>
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		<title>#47 Sony presenta la PlayStation 4 [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c047#c-47</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jun 2013 14:10:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>formulauno</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:1944757-43" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c043#c-43" rel="nofollow">#43</a> Claro, que todo el mundo sabe que porque el salario tuyo sea mas bajo les va a salir mas barato fabricar la consola para nosotros...<br />
<br />
Aparte de lo que dice <a class="tooltip c:1944757-35" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c035#c-35" rel="nofollow">#35</a> hay que sumar que simplemente el envio por mar, es el doble de kms los que hay que hacer desde los centros de fabricacion al centro de distribucion en europa en comparacion con USA (Suelen llegar a Alemania o a Holanda para hacer el reparto despues por tierra)<br />
Y a esos Kms, no le sumamos las tasas que tienen que pagar por cruzar el canal de suez, que tambien hay que pagarlo....</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>formulauno</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>13005125</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:order>46</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>dolphinziyo</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>6</meneame:karma>
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		<title>#46 Sony presenta la PlayStation 4 [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c046#c-46</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jun 2013 15:16:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>dolphinziyo</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c046#c-46</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:1944757-41" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c041#c-41" rel="nofollow">#41</a> Aun tengo la esperanza de que salga SEGA a la palestra con una nueva Dreamcast. Jaja</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>dolphinziyo</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>13004552</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:order>45</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Gaeddal</meneame:user>
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		<meneame:karma>9</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng</meneame:url>
		<title>#45 Sony presenta la PlayStation 4 [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c045#c-45</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jun 2013 14:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Gaeddal</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Y yo no he dicho que tú hayas dicho que en Europa haya un mismo IVA, creo que está bastante claro en mi comentario.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Gaeddal</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>13001953</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:order>44</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Dasoman</meneame:user>
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		<title>#44 Sony presenta la PlayStation 4 [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c044#c-44</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jun 2013 08:27:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Dasoman</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c044#c-44</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>Menéame es claramente Sonyer.<br />
<br />
Bueno, en realidad, España es claramente Sonyer.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Dasoman</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>13001857</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:order>43</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Smoje</meneame:user>
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		<meneame:karma>-3</meneame:karma>
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		<title>#43 Sony presenta la PlayStation 4 [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c043#c-43</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jun 2013 08:12:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Smoje</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c043#c-43</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:1944757-35" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c035#c-35" rel="nofollow">#35</a> Es cierto lo que comentas, pero si entramos a valorar el salario medio de cada estado comparado con lo que se gana en España creo que salimos perdiendo claramente... a nosotros nos favorece comprar en dólares pero ellos consumen más porque se lo pueden permitir, y con razón!</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Smoje</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>13001287</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:order>42</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>eboke</meneame:user>
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		<meneame:karma>13</meneame:karma>
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		<title>#42 Sony presenta la PlayStation 4 [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c042#c-42</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jun 2013 06:11:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>eboke</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c042#c-42</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:1944757-14" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c014#c-14" rel="nofollow">#14</a>, yo no he dicho que en Europa haya un mismo IVA, creo que está bastante claro mi comentario.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>eboke</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>13000957</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:order>41</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>deabru</meneame:user>
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		<meneame:karma>6</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng</meneame:url>
		<title>#41 Sony presenta la PlayStation 4 [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c041#c-41</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jun 2013 00:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>deabru</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c041#c-41</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:1944757-40" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c040#c-40" rel="nofollow">#40</a> tienes los juegos casual por la tienda de google para Android <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/wink.png" alt=";)" title=";)" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>deabru</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>13000713</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:user>dolphinziyo</meneame:user>
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		<title>#40 Sony presenta la PlayStation 4 [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c040#c-40</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jun 2013 23:17:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>dolphinziyo</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c040#c-40</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>Una pena el camino que llevan las &#34;videoconsolas&#34; hoy en día. Me encantaba jugar a videojuegos en consola porque no tenías más que preocuparte de poner el juego y jugar. <br />
Me llamaría la atención la compañía que dijera que en su consola internet sería un complemento y no un requerimiento. Me llamaría la atención la compañía que dijera que pagaría 70€ por un juego completo, no por un juego a medio hacer. La compañía que no me impidiera jugar con mis amigos por culpa de que ellos tienen unos mapas y yo no. <br />
Mientras tanto... Hace tiempo que he tomado la decisión de pasar de seguirles el rollo a los creadores de &#34;videoconsolas&#34;.<br />
Que se metan su XBOX One y su PS4 dónde mejor les quepa!!¡¡</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>dolphinziyo</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>13000624</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:order>39</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>naxo</meneame:user>
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		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng</meneame:url>
		<title>#39 Sony presenta la PlayStation 4 [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c039#c-39</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jun 2013 22:53:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>naxo</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c039#c-39</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:1944757-35" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c035#c-35" rel="nofollow">#35</a> Varios han comentado el tema de que el precio USA no incluye el equivalente al IVA. Y desde luego el marketing de 399 es importante como comentas. <br />
<br />
Lo que también hay que tener en cuenta es que el precio europeo incluye  la garantía obligatoria de la UE para productos electrónicos (2 años en teoría 1 año real). Esto en los USA no existe, muchos productos nuevos se venden con 90 días de garantía.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>naxo</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>13000484</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:order>38</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Gaeddal</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>3</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>20</meneame:karma>
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		<title>#38 Sony presenta la PlayStation 4 [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c038#c-38</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jun 2013 22:26:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Gaeddal</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c038#c-38</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:1944757-35" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c035#c-35" rel="nofollow">#35</a> Pues muy bien. No voy a entrar al detalle de que desconoces por completo la logística de estas empresas (las logísticas, para ser exactos), pero sí que voy a quedarme con un punto fundamental:<br />
<br />
Tú estimas que un 9% no es nada. Que está justificado porque es de importación, como el whisky. Yo te digo que el 9% es el margen minorista de un montón de productos de electrónica. Básicamente es como añadir un intermediario más a la cadena.<br />
<br />
Respecto a la importación, te recuerdo que podemos hacer la comparación con otros productos similares, a ver si ellos también hacen ese cambio. Es entonces cuando te das cuenta de que donde existe competencia real, no existe paridad euro-dólar.<br />
<br />
Pero vamos, que insisto, si quieres poner tu ojete, pues adelante. Pero no me obligues a mí a comulgar con ruedas de molino.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Gaeddal</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng</meneame:url>
		<title>#37 Sony presenta la PlayStation 4 [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c037#c-37</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jun 2013 22:26:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>[Usuario deshabilitado]</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--330451--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng</meneame:url>
		<title>#36 Sony presenta la PlayStation 4 [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c036#c-36</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jun 2013 22:17:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--366757--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c036#c-36</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>[Usuario deshabilitado]</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--366757--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>13000439</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:order>35</meneame:order>
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		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng</meneame:url>
		<title>#35 Sony presenta la PlayStation 4 [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c035#c-35</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jun 2013 22:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--187454--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c035#c-35</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:1944757-14" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c014#c-14" rel="nofollow">#14</a> Partimos de $399<br />
<br />
+ Diferentes impuestos:<br />
<br />
- En EEUU el producto se anuncia sin impuestos, así que es normal anunciar el precio sin incluir sin impuestos incluidos.<br />
(luego te suben el &#34;Sales Tax&#34;). Por ejemplo para una ps4 ($399) en NewYork puede ser un 7% más ($426), en California un 15% ($458) y en Oregon un 0% ($399).<br />
<br />
- En Europa el producto se anuncia con IVA incluido (y el IVA varía generalmente entre el 19% y el 25%).<br />
- En España con un 21% de IVA realmente nos estan cobrando €329+IVA. Traducido a dolares eso serían $435.<br />
Si, con respecto a EEUU nos cobran 36$ de más, un 9% extra!<br />
<br />
Otros factores:<br />
+ Costes extras de Logística (En EEUU es más barata, está mucho mejor organizada, tienen mucho centralizado allí)<br />
+ Marketing: 399 suena bien. Ellos ponen $399 y luego €399.<br />
<br />
En definitiva, cobran un 9% extra pero para ser una importación, no es tanto.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--187454--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>13000426</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:user>Gaeddal</meneame:user>
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		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng</meneame:url>
		<title>#34 Sony presenta la PlayStation 4 [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c034#c-34</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jun 2013 22:12:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Gaeddal</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c034#c-34</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:1944757-31" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c031#c-31" rel="nofollow">#31</a> No sé si te has fijado, pero mi mensaje iba encaminado a refutar el argumento de que hacen esa conversión por nosequé del IVA.<br />
<br />
Hacen la paridad €=$ porque les da la gana. Porque pueden. Porque son cuatro empresas controlando absolutamente todas las etapas del negocio, y porque los consumidores (como no podía ser de otra manera) somos una panda de borregos que lo hemos consentido.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Gaeddal</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng</meneame:url>
		<title>#33 Sony presenta la PlayStation 4 [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c033#c-33</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jun 2013 22:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>anacronico</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c033#c-33</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:1944757-4" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c04#c-4" rel="nofollow">#4</a> xbox te graba mientras te masturbas, la ps4 no... aun.<br />
<br />
PD. si así es minimista, ¿como sera un diseño maximalista?</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>anacronico</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<title>#32 Sony presenta la PlayStation 4 [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c032#c-32</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jun 2013 22:04:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>[Usuario deshabilitado]</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--343064--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>13000375</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:user>titali</meneame:user>
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		<title>#31 Sony presenta la PlayStation 4 [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c031#c-31</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jun 2013 22:01:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>titali</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c031#c-31</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:1944757-14" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c014#c-14" rel="nofollow">#14</a> <br />
Los $399 que se dan en EEUU son sin IVA, pero te aseguro que ni sumándole el IVA en el estado que mayores impuestos tenga alcanzarán los 399€ que nos comeremos en cualquier país de la UE aunque no todo tengamos el mismo IVA.<br />
Los precios sin IVA Europa son mayores que los precios sin IVA en U.S.A, punto pelota.<br />
<br />
Luego hay quien para justificar la típica regla de precios 1$ = 1€ dice eso de &#34;es que para venderlo en Europa hay que pagar el transporte, pagar aduanas...&#34; como si se fabricasen en EEUU y hubiesen entrado en el país teletransportados por Goku sin pasar por la aduana. Esto último no va por ti, pero lo digo porque en cualquier momento saltará el típico.<br />
<br />
Con los precios siempre salimos perdiendo, unas veces unos pocos euros y otras demasiados pero nunca llegamos a estar en igualdad de condiciones.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>titali</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng</meneame:url>
		<title>#30 Sony presenta la PlayStation 4 [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c030#c-30</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jun 2013 22:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>knubble</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c030#c-30</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>El único pero que le veo al meneo es que habiendo como hay tantas fuentes en español que dicen mucho más que ésta se envíe un artículo mediocre y en inglés.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>knubble</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>13000372</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:order>29</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--86983--</meneame:user>
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		<title>#29 Sony presenta la PlayStation 4 [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c029#c-29</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jun 2013 22:01:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--86983--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c029#c-29</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:1944757-27" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c027#c-27" rel="nofollow">#27</a> Lo único malo que le veo es que estén los USB escondidos en esa hendidura... Típico que no entran los pen gordos. Aparte de eso, no es nada de lo otro mundo pero está bien. Me recuerda mucho al diseño de PS2.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--86983--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>13000365</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:order>28</meneame:order>
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		<meneame:karma>10</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng</meneame:url>
		<title>#28 Sony presenta la PlayStation 4 [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c028#c-28</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jun 2013 22:00:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--233533--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c028#c-28</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>Pedazo de ladrillo, y peor es la xbox one. En serio, tan difícil era hacer un diseño más agradable a la vista?<br />
<a class="tooltip c:1944757-2" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c02#c-2" rel="nofollow">#2</a> Yo diría que hasta la mega drive, super nintendo, n64, psx y saturn tiene un mejor diseño que ps4 y xbox one.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--233533--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:user>ApaRRRa</meneame:user>
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		<title>#27 Sony presenta la PlayStation 4 [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c027#c-27</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jun 2013 21:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>ApaRRRa</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c027#c-27</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>Hombre, a mi de formato me parece decente, no ganará premios de diseño pero si funciona no veo por qué criticarla. Apuesto a que había gente con la crítica ya escrita antes de que fuera presentada.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>ApaRRRa</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<title>#26 Sony presenta la PlayStation 4 [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c026#c-26</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jun 2013 21:57:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--10975--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c026#c-26</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:1944757-15" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c015#c-15" rel="nofollow">#15</a> goto <a class="tooltip c:1944757-8" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c08#c-8" rel="nofollow">#8</a></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--10975--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng</meneame:url>
		<title>#25 Sony presenta la PlayStation 4 [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c025#c-25</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jun 2013 21:57:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Bley</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c025#c-25</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>La Xbox One va a vender menos que la sega Saturn<br />
<br />
La PS4 es lo mismo de siempre, con el mando de siempre y las secuelas de siempre, una pedazo de mierda pero con buen markting venderá gracias a Microsoft y sus cagadas.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Bley</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<title>#24 Sony presenta la PlayStation 4 [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c024#c-24</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jun 2013 21:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c024#c-24</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>El único spam aceptable es el del Partido. ¡¡Cojones!!</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--301232--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:user>Wizardd</meneame:user>
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		<title>#23 Sony presenta la PlayStation 4 [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c023#c-23</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jun 2013 21:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Wizardd</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c023#c-23</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>¿Te da un juego gratis al mes? ¿Qué pasa si dejas de ser suscriptor del Plus? Ni juegos ni online, o sea que al precio de la consola hay que sumarle la suscripción anual y que te interese jugar a lo que te pongan, que no es mi caso.<br />
<br />
Desde luego es mil veces mejor que Timosoft pero no me termina de convencer.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Wizardd</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>13000325</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng</meneame:url>
		<title>#22 Sony presenta la PlayStation 4 [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c022#c-22</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jun 2013 21:54:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>joffer</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c022#c-22</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:1944757-6" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c06#c-6" rel="nofollow">#6</a> ponle se dice ponle.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>joffer</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>13000321</meneame:comment_id>
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		<title>#21 Sony presenta la PlayStation 4 [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c021#c-21</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jun 2013 21:53:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--130475--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c021#c-21</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:1944757-1" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c01#c-1" rel="nofollow">#1</a> Tampoco es bonita por delante que se diga...</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--130475--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>13000320</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:order>20</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--222277--</meneame:user>
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		<meneame:karma>10</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng</meneame:url>
		<title>#20 Sony presenta la PlayStation 4 [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c020#c-20</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jun 2013 21:53:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--222277--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c020#c-20</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:1944757-2" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c02#c-2" rel="nofollow">#2</a> Son las dos feas de cojones, la ps4 un poco menos, pero feas.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--222277--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>13000319</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:order>19</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>osakarusan</meneame:user>
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		<meneame:karma>13</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng</meneame:url>
		<title>#19 Sony presenta la PlayStation 4 [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c019#c-19</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jun 2013 21:52:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>osakarusan</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c019#c-19</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>Joder ¿quién dice que las consolas de &#34;nueva generación&#34; tienen que tener esta estética tan noventera? ¿los illuminati? ¿o hay que empezar a hablar de espionaje industrial? <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/lol.gif" alt="xD" title=":lol: xD" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>osakarusan</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:user>zastiu</meneame:user>
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		<meneame:karma>6</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng</meneame:url>
		<title>#18 Sony presenta la PlayStation 4 [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c018#c-18</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jun 2013 21:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>zastiu</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c018#c-18</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>La PS4 dejará a la elección de cada distribuidor el bloqueo del ONLINE de los juegos de segunda mano.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>zastiu</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>13000317</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:order>17</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--86983--</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>13</meneame:votes>
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		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng</meneame:url>
		<title>#17 Sony presenta la PlayStation 4 [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c017#c-17</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jun 2013 21:52:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--86983--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c017#c-17</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:1944757-16" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c016#c-16" rel="nofollow">#16</a> ¡Rápido! Necesitamos otra noticia de política, Rajoy, Salvados, Cayo Lara dice, ¡lo que sea!<br />
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<img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/shame.png" alt="¬¬" title="¬¬ :shame:" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--86983--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:order>16</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Muzaman</meneame:user>
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		<meneame:karma>-80</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng</meneame:url>
		<title>#16 Sony presenta la PlayStation 4 [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c016#c-16</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jun 2013 21:50:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Muzaman</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c016#c-16</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>SPAM <b>SPAM</b> SPAM <b>SPAM</b> SPAM SPAM SPAM<br />
Toma anuncio de sony en portada<br />
SPAM <b>SPAM</b> SPAM <b>SPAM</b> SPAM SPAM SPAM</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Muzaman</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:order>15</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--202272--</meneame:user>
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		<meneame:karma>17</meneame:karma>
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		<title>#15 Sony presenta la PlayStation 4 [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c015#c-15</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jun 2013 21:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--202272--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c015#c-15</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>[Usuario deshabilitado]</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--202272--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>13000227</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1944757</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>14</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Gaeddal</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>3</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>1</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng</meneame:url>
		<title>#14 Sony presenta la PlayStation 4 [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c014#c-14</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jun 2013 21:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Gaeddal</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c014#c-14</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:1944757-12" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c012#c-12" rel="nofollow">#12</a> <i>Pero los precios que se dan en USA son sin IVA, ya que cada Estado tiene un impuesto diferente.</i><br />
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Y en Europa todos los países tienen el mismo IVA, ¿no?<br />
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PD: Sinceramente, los fabricantes de consolas se pueden ir a reir de su puta madre. A ver cuándo nos damos cuenta de que el negocio de esta gente descansa en técnicas monopolísticas. En mercados parcelados, para ser concretos.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Gaeddal</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>12994890</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1944757</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>13</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Lucer</meneame:user>
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		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng</meneame:url>
		<title>#13 Sony presenta la PlayStation 4 [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c013#c-13</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jun 2013 06:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Lucer</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c013#c-13</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:1944757-12" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c012#c-12" rel="nofollow">#12</a> Interesante, eso no lo sabía. Aún así he visto la conversión de 1$=1€ en productos digitales... Y bueno, según tengo entendido los impuestos en USA son bastante menores que la burrada que pagamos aquí. Según acabo de buscar, en California no supera el 10%, con lo que la diferencia igual no es de 100€, pero casi... <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/undecided.png" alt=":-/" title=":-/ :/" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /><br />
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Aunque ahora que lo pienso, en Europa cada país también tiene un impuesto diferente. Así que basándonos en eso no me extrañaría que en España fuese aún más cara <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/grin.png" alt=":-D" title=":-D" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /> Así que deduzco que el precio que anuncian es el PVP recomendado al público con impuestos ya incluidos.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Lucer</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>12994805</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:order>12</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>eboke</meneame:user>
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		<meneame:karma>201</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng</meneame:url>
		<title>#12 Sony presenta la PlayStation 4 [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c012#c-12</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jun 2013 06:42:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>eboke</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c012#c-12</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:1944757-9" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c09#c-9" rel="nofollow">#9</a>, un apunte a tu artículo:<br />
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<i>&#34;Playstation 4 saldrá a un precio más que competitivo, 399$, 399€ y 350 libras. <b>La conversión de 1$=1€ se mantiene como es común a pesar de que el precio en euros debería ser inferior.</b></i><br />
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Esto es un error que comente mucha gente, que pasa los precios de dólares a euros alegremente. Pero los precios que se dan en USA son sin IVA, ya que cada Estado tiene un impuesto diferente. <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/wink.png" alt=";)" title=";)" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>eboke</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:order>11</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Lucer</meneame:user>
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		<meneame:karma>39</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng</meneame:url>
		<title>#11 Sony presenta la PlayStation 4 [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c011#c-11</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jun 2013 06:40:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Lucer</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c011#c-11</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:1944757-10" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c010#c-10" rel="nofollow">#10</a> Bueno, el premium de XBox también da (o dará, no sé muy bien) dos juegos al mes. Lo de &#34;regalar&#34; tampoco, que al fin y al cabo estás pagando esos 5€ al mes por ello. Y bueno, supongo que esos juegos serán juegos de &#34;segunda&#34;, dudo que te regalen el Assassins Creed o el Watch Dog ni si quiera un año ni dos después de su salida...<br />
<br />
Pero bueno, los tiempos han cambiado y ahora las empresas piensan primero en los beneficios y después en ofrecer mejores juegos. Sólo con Valve y Steam o con juegos como el CS:GO o el Dota2 tengo la sensación opuesta. No veo una revolución de verdad en consolas desde tiempos de N64 y PSX, que fueron mis últimas consolas. A ver si la cosa cambia pronto.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Lucer</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>12994755</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:order>10</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>eboke</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>3</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>42</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng</meneame:url>
		<title>#10 Sony presenta la PlayStation 4 [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c010#c-10</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jun 2013 06:32:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>eboke</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c010#c-10</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:1944757-9" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c09#c-9" rel="nofollow">#9</a>, <i>&#34;Añadir una medida para sacar dineros que ya usaba tu competidora en la generación anterior dando un paso atrás.&#34;</i><br />
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Es una mancha pero, como apunta <a class="tooltip c:1944757-7" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c07#c-7" rel="nofollow">#7</a>, con el PSN Plus te regalan juegos cada mes. No creo que me eche para atrás eso.<br />
<br />
EDIT: Vale, en tu artículo también lo mencionas <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/smiley.png" alt=":-)" title=":-)" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>eboke</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>12994591</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:order>9</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Lucer</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>26</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>233</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng</meneame:url>
		<title>#9 Sony presenta la PlayStation 4 [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c09#c-9</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jun 2013 05:29:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Lucer</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c09#c-9</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>Paso 1: Anunciar sólo un mando en tu conferencia. Esperar que tu competidora la cague con medidas estúpidas de control que dan un paso atrás en el progreso y generación de consolas.<br />
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Paso 2: Anunciar tu consola sin esas medidas estúpidas de control que dan pasos atrás. Esperar los aplausos y la ovación. Añadir una medida para sacar dineros que ya usaba tu competidora en la generación anterior dando un paso atrás.<br />
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Desde luego que Microsoft se lo ha puesto fácil y al final los únicos perjudicados son los usuarios, menos mal que yo soy de PC.<br />
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Por cierto, he escrito un artículo bastante más detallado de los que he visto en todas las webs nacionales más importantes... <a href="http://muvin.es/noticias/reservar-playstation-4-399e-sin-drm/" title="muvin.es/noticias/reservar-playstation-4-399e-sin-drm/" rel="nofollow">muvin.es/noticias/reservar-playstation-4-399e-sin-drm/</a></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Lucer</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:order>8</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Meneador_Compulsivo</meneame:user>
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		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng</meneame:url>
		<title>#8 Sony presenta la PlayStation 4 [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c08#c-8</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jun 2013 03:14:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Meneador_Compulsivo</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c08#c-8</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://youtu.be/kWSIFh8ICaA" title="youtu.be/kWSIFh8ICaA" rel="nofollow">youtu.be/kWSIFh8ICaA</a> Maximum trolling <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/lol.gif" alt="xD" title=":lol: xD" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /> <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/lol.gif" alt="xD" title=":lol: xD" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Meneador_Compulsivo</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:order>7</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Meneador_Compulsivo</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>9</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>98</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng</meneame:url>
		<title>#7 Sony presenta la PlayStation 4 [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c07#c-7</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jun 2013 03:09:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Meneador_Compulsivo</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c07#c-7</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>399€ con segunda mano y sin check-in, lo único negativo es que hay que ser del plus para jugar online(5 dólares y te llevas un juego gratis al mes)</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Meneador_Compulsivo</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:user>--330451--</meneame:user>
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		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng</meneame:url>
		<title>#6 Sony presenta la PlayStation 4 [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c06#c-6</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jun 2013 02:41:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--330451--</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>[Usuario deshabilitado]</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--330451--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:order>5</meneame:order>
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		<meneame:karma>15</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng</meneame:url>
		<title>#5 Sony presenta la PlayStation 4 [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c05#c-5</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jun 2013 02:34:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>alxstudio</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c05#c-5</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:1944757-3" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c03#c-3" rel="nofollow">#3</a> Y si mi abuela tuviera dos cojones, tendría dos abuelos.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>alxstudio</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:order>4</meneame:order>
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		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng</meneame:url>
		<title>#4 Sony presenta la PlayStation 4 [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c04#c-4</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jun 2013 02:29:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--363799--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c04#c-4</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>Encuentra las diferencias:<br />
<br />
<a href="http://cdn2.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/8364889/9012525050_768a7f991a_h_verge_super_wide.jpg" title="cdn2.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/8364889/9012525050_768a7f991a_h_verge_super_wide.jpg" rel="nofollow">cdn2.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/8364889/9012525050_768a7f991a_h_v</a><br />
<a href="http://www.anaitgames.com/images/uploads/2013/06/xbox-one.jpg" title="www.anaitgames.com/images/uploads/2013/06/xbox-one.jpg" rel="nofollow">www.anaitgames.com/images/uploads/2013/06/xbox-one.jpg</a></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--363799--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:order>3</meneame:order>
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		<meneame:karma>30</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng</meneame:url>
		<title>#3 Sony presenta la PlayStation 4 [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c03#c-3</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jun 2013 02:29:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--330451--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c03#c-3</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>[Usuario deshabilitado]</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--330451--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>12994453</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:order>2</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>alxstudio</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>14</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>133</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng</meneame:url>
		<title>#2 Sony presenta la PlayStation 4 [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c02#c-2</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jun 2013 02:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>alxstudio</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Sin entrar en temas técnicos... ¿No os parece que las consolas de esta nueva generación son una GARRULADA?<br />
<br />
Por favor, que contraten a Jonathan Ive o algo, que parece que estemos en el puto año 2000.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>alxstudio</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>12994438</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:order>1</meneame:order>
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		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng</meneame:url>
		<title>#1 Sony presenta la PlayStation 4 [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c01#c-1</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jun 2013 01:56:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--363799--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/sony-presenta-playstation-4-eng/c01#c-1</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>En vez del &#34;eres más feo que una nevera por detrás&#34; ya se puede usar el &#34;eres más feo que una Playstation 4 por detrás&#34;.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--363799--</strong></p>]]></description>
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