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		<meneame:comment_id>12551616</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1876447</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>19</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>miramirez</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>8</meneame:karma>
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		<title>#19 Alemania contra Europa</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/alemania-contra-europa/c019#c-19</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Mar 2013 22:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>miramirez</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:1876447-18" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/alemania-contra-europa/c018#c-18" rel="nofollow">#18</a> ¿¿??<br />
No hablamos de que lo haya censurado Dios, o &#34;la interné&#34;, hablamos de que lo haya censurado El País, que es quien ha retirado el artículo de su colaborador y donde no puede leerse.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>miramirez</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>12544966</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1876447</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>18</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--90600--</meneame:user>
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		<meneame:karma>14</meneame:karma>
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		<title>#18 Alemania contra Europa</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/alemania-contra-europa/c018#c-18</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Mar 2013 22:29:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--90600--</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:1876447-16" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/alemania-contra-europa/c016#c-16" rel="nofollow">#16</a> No, El Pais lo ha retirado de su web.<br />
<br />
De haberlo censurado, como ya he dicho, no podrias leerlo. Ni en su web, ni en ninguna otra.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--90600--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>12544773</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1876447</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>17</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>usario</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>6</meneame:karma>
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		<title>#17 Alemania contra Europa</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/alemania-contra-europa/c017#c-17</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Mar 2013 21:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>usario</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/alemania-contra-europa/c017#c-17</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><i><b>Que hayan retirado un articulo no tiene nada</b> de novedoso ni <b>de censura</b>.</i><br />
Vuelve a leerlo mañana.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>usario</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>12544744</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1876447</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>16</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>miramirez</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>1</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>17</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/alemania-contra-europa</meneame:url>
		<title>#16 Alemania contra Europa</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/alemania-contra-europa/c016#c-16</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Mar 2013 21:43:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>miramirez</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/alemania-contra-europa/c016#c-16</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:1876447-14" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/alemania-contra-europa/c014#c-14" rel="nofollow">#14</a> En El País no lo he leído, ¿sabes por qué?, porque El País lo ha censurado.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>miramirez</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>12544728</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1876447</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>15</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--320642--</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>1</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>16</meneame:karma>
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		<title>#15 Alemania contra Europa</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/alemania-contra-europa/c015#c-15</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Mar 2013 21:39:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--320642--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/alemania-contra-europa/c015#c-15</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:1876447-12" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/alemania-contra-europa/c012#c-12" rel="nofollow">#12</a> &#34; cuando realmente os censuren&#34;<br />
¿A qué te refieres?. ¿Cuándo volvamos a vivir en una dictadura fascista?<br />
Si retirar un artículo no es una censura efectiva, ¿qué es <i>censura de verdad</i>? en una democracia, o lo que sea esto.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--320642--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>12544715</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1876447</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>14</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--90600--</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>14</meneame:karma>
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		<title>#14 Alemania contra Europa</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/alemania-contra-europa/c014#c-14</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Mar 2013 21:37:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--90600--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/alemania-contra-europa/c014#c-14</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:1876447-13" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/alemania-contra-europa/c013#c-13" rel="nofollow">#13</a> Si se hubiese censurado de verdad no podrias leer el articulo. En ningun sitio.<br />
<br />
Lo has leido, verdad? Entonces no hay censura. Y ya podeis patalear, porque por mucho ruido que hagais no cambiara el significado del termino censura.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--90600--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>12544711</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1876447</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>13</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>miramirez</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>2</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>25</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/alemania-contra-europa</meneame:url>
		<title>#13 Alemania contra Europa</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/alemania-contra-europa/c013#c-13</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Mar 2013 21:35:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>miramirez</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/alemania-contra-europa/c013#c-13</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:1876447-2" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/alemania-contra-europa/c02#c-2" rel="nofollow">#2</a> Si a un redactor, articulista, ... le presionas para que no escriba según que, o le retiras un artículo, si eso no es censura, no se que puede serlo.<br />
Otra cosa es que la propiedad, de un medio de comunicación, esté por encima de la libertad de expresión.<br />
Pero vamos, abrumadora censura, ejercida sobre el articulista y suerte tiene si su supervivencia económica no depende de lo que cobre del medio en cuestión, porque sino está apañado.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>miramirez</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>12544235</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1876447</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>12</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--90600--</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>14</meneame:karma>
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		<title>#12 Alemania contra Europa</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/alemania-contra-europa/c012#c-12</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Mar 2013 20:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--90600--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/alemania-contra-europa/c012#c-12</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:1876447-11" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/alemania-contra-europa/c011#c-11" rel="nofollow">#11</a> Censura? El articulo no ha desaparecido, con lo cual no existe censura.<br />
<br />
Eso si, seguid llamando censura a lo que no es, que cuando realmente os censuren si que os va a doler <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/undecided.png" alt=":-/" title=":-/ :/" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--90600--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>12544229</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1876447</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>11</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--320642--</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>8</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/alemania-contra-europa</meneame:url>
		<title>#11 Alemania contra Europa</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/alemania-contra-europa/c011#c-11</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Mar 2013 20:18:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--320642--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/alemania-contra-europa/c011#c-11</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:1876447-2" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/alemania-contra-europa/c02#c-2" rel="nofollow">#2</a> Justamente de censura sí, es casi una tautología, otra cosa es que tengan derecho a publicar lo que crean oportuno.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--320642--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>12536921</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1876447</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>10</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>winstonsmithh</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>1</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>31</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/alemania-contra-europa</meneame:url>
		<title>#10 Alemania contra Europa</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/alemania-contra-europa/c010#c-10</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Mar 2013 17:35:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>winstonsmithh</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/alemania-contra-europa/c010#c-10</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:1876447-9" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/alemania-contra-europa/c09#c-9" rel="nofollow">#9</a> ok <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/wink.png" alt=";)" title=";)" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>winstonsmithh</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>12536914</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1876447</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>9</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>tarkovsky</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>1</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>31</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/alemania-contra-europa</meneame:url>
		<title>#9 Alemania contra Europa</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/alemania-contra-europa/c09#c-9</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Mar 2013 17:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>tarkovsky</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/alemania-contra-europa/c09#c-9</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:1876447-1" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/alemania-contra-europa/c01#c-1" rel="nofollow">#1</a> me equivoqué de botón. disculpa el negativo</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>tarkovsky</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>12536683</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1876447</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>8</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>rogerius</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>1</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>15</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/alemania-contra-europa</meneame:url>
		<title>#8 Alemania contra Europa</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/alemania-contra-europa/c08#c-8</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Mar 2013 16:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>rogerius</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/alemania-contra-europa/c08#c-8</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>Una vez leído el artículo se comprende que haya sido retirado. Dice las verdades sin rodeos. Clarito, clarito.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>rogerius</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>12536144</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1876447</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>7</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>winstonsmithh</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>2</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>42</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/alemania-contra-europa</meneame:url>
		<title>#7 Alemania contra Europa</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/alemania-contra-europa/c07#c-7</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Mar 2013 14:26:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>winstonsmithh</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/alemania-contra-europa/c07#c-7</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>A ver, votad lo que os de la gana, pero no es duplicada, ésta se envio anteriormente a la portada <a href="http://www.meneame.net/story/pais-publica-articulo-comparando-merkel-hitler-luego-retira" title="www.meneame.net/story/pais-publica-articulo-comparando-merkel-hitler-luego-retira" rel="nofollow">www.meneame.net/story/pais-publica-articulo-comparando-merkel-hitler-l</a><br />
<br />
Y se envió posteriormente a la cerrada <a href="http://www.meneame.net/story/culpa-crisis-tuviese-alemania" title="www.meneame.net/story/culpa-crisis-tuviese-alemania" rel="nofollow">www.meneame.net/story/culpa-crisis-tuviese-alemania</a></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>winstonsmithh</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>12535971</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1876447</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>6</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>winstonsmithh</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>18</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/alemania-contra-europa</meneame:url>
		<title>#6 Alemania contra Europa</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/alemania-contra-europa/c06#c-6</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Mar 2013 13:40:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>winstonsmithh</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/alemania-contra-europa/c06#c-6</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:1876447-2" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/alemania-contra-europa/c02#c-2" rel="nofollow">#2</a> Creo que era adecuado poner en contexto el artículo.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>winstonsmithh</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>12535818</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1876447</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>5</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Grindkore</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>2</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>34</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/alemania-contra-europa</meneame:url>
		<title>#5 Alemania contra Europa</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/alemania-contra-europa/c05#c-5</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Mar 2013 13:06:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Grindkore</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/alemania-contra-europa/c05#c-5</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>Marchando efecto Streissand. Ahora lo quiero leer (antes me daba igual).</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Grindkore</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>12535805</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1876447</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>4</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--90600--</meneame:user>
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		<meneame:karma>20</meneame:karma>
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		<title>#4 Alemania contra Europa</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/alemania-contra-europa/c04#c-4</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Mar 2013 13:02:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--90600--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/alemania-contra-europa/c04#c-4</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:1876447-3" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/alemania-contra-europa/c03#c-3" rel="nofollow">#3</a> Yo no lo dudo. Los negocios son los negocios.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--90600--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>12535796</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:order>3</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Beppo</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>5</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>63</meneame:karma>
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		<title>#3 Alemania contra Europa</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/alemania-contra-europa/c03#c-3</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Mar 2013 13:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Beppo</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/alemania-contra-europa/c03#c-3</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:1876447-2" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/alemania-contra-europa/c02#c-2" rel="nofollow">#2</a> Ya, y la línea editorial cuando la han aplicado ¿después de leerlo o después de que alguien se queje? ¿Publican los artículos sin leer? Lo dudo.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Beppo</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>12535779</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1876447</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>2</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--90600--</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>6</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>42</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/alemania-contra-europa</meneame:url>
		<title>#2 Alemania contra Europa</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/alemania-contra-europa/c02#c-2</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Mar 2013 12:57:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--90600--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/alemania-contra-europa/c02#c-2</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:1876447-1" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/alemania-contra-europa/c01#c-1" rel="nofollow">#1</a> Algo normal y habitual en la prensa.<br />
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Se llama linea editorial y todos los medios la tienen. Que hayan retirado un articulo no tiene nada de novedoso ni de censura.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--90600--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>12535739</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1876447</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>1</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>winstonsmithh</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>9</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>98</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/alemania-contra-europa</meneame:url>
		<title>#1 Alemania contra Europa</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/alemania-contra-europa/c01#c-1</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Mar 2013 12:46:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>winstonsmithh</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/alemania-contra-europa/c01#c-1</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><i>EL PAÍS ha retirado de su web el artículo “Alemania contra Europa”, firmado por Juan Torres López y publicado en su edición de Andalucía, porque contenía afirmaciones que este periódico considera inapropiadas. EL PAÍS lamenta que un error en las tareas de supervisión haya permitido la publicación del citado material. Las opiniones expresadas por Torres López solo representan al autor.</i><br />
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<a href="http://ccaa.elpais.com/ccaa/2013/03/22/andalucia/1363974112_833529.html" title="ccaa.elpais.com/ccaa/2013/03/22/andalucia/1363974112_833529.html" rel="nofollow">ccaa.elpais.com/ccaa/2013/03/22/andalucia/1363974112_833529.html</a></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>winstonsmithh</strong></p>]]></description>
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