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		<meneame:comment_id>12150164</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1810377</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>37</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>aguilareal661</meneame:user>
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		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva</meneame:url>
		<title>#37 Eléctricas a la defensiva</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva/c037#c-37</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2013 16:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>aguilareal661</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>cada vez son mas q se aopunta a pagar a empresas q comercializan EERR en este caso es Greenpeace_esp dice:<br />
Hola AguilaReal, <br />
<br />
La electricidad es la misma independientemente de la comercializadora a la que se compre, lo que importa es el destino del dinero que pagamos. Si compras a través de una comercializarora de último recurso, dispones de una tarifa de último recurso (TUR) fijada por el Gobierno, que te protege de subidas libres por parte de las compañías, y tu dinero va a pagar proporcionalmente a todos los agentes del sistema, te gusten o no. Si compras a través de una comercializadora libre, hoy por hoy todas adquieren la electricidad en el mismo sitio, por lo que tu dinero sigue teniendo el mismo destino. Pero como las oficinas no pueden acogerse a la TUR a la que sí tienen derecho la mayoría de los consumidores domésticos, en nuestra oficina de Madrid tenemos contratada la electricidad con Gesternova, que aunque el dinero va al mismo sitio, al menos es una empresa cuyos dueños se dedican a invertir solo en energías renovables, a diferencia de las comercializadoras controladas por las cinco grandes eléctricas asociadas en UNESA, cuyo negocio principal son las energías sucias.<br />
<a href="http://www.greenpeace.org/espana/es/Blog/europa-quiere-ms-energas-renovables/blog/43703/" title="www.greenpeace.org/espana/es/Blog/europa-quiere-ms-energas-renovables/blog/43703/" rel="nofollow">www.greenpeace.org/espana/es/Blog/europa-quiere-ms-energas-renovables/</a></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>aguilareal661</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>12119766</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:order>36</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Aragnido</meneame:user>
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		<meneame:karma>25</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva</meneame:url>
		<title>#36 Eléctricas a la defensiva</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva/c036#c-36</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 09:55:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Aragnido</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva/c036#c-36</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:1810377-14" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva/c014#c-14" rel="nofollow">#14</a> <a href="http://www.somenergia.coop/es/" title="www.somenergia.coop/es/" rel="nofollow">www.somenergia.coop/es/</a><br />
Más de 5.000 socios en dos años de existencia. Somos muchos los que hemos dado el paso para iniciar el cambio</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Aragnido</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>12119184</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1810377</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>35</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>arsenicmarmelade</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>6</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva</meneame:url>
		<title>#35 Eléctricas a la defensiva</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva/c035#c-35</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 07:48:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>arsenicmarmelade</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva/c035#c-35</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>Auditoriaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ...YA!</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>arsenicmarmelade</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>12117386</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1810377</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>34</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Milkhouse</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>7</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva</meneame:url>
		<title>#34 Eléctricas a la defensiva</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva/c034#c-34</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 20:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Milkhouse</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva/c034#c-34</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>Yo soy socio cooperativista de Somenergia.... no digo mas...</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Milkhouse</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>12117160</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1810377</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>33</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>joffer</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>1</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>17</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva</meneame:url>
		<title>#33 Eléctricas a la defensiva</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva/c033#c-33</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 19:26:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>joffer</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva/c033#c-33</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:1810377-29" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva/c029#c-29" rel="nofollow">#29</a> si obtienes un resultado donde ves claramente que no existe libre competencia</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>joffer</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>12116833</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1810377</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>32</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>ur_quan_master</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>2</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>20</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva</meneame:url>
		<title>#32 Eléctricas a la defensiva</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva/c032#c-32</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 18:25:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>ur_quan_master</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva/c032#c-32</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>En su momento cayeron los ladrones de la SGAE..Si la gente toma conciencia caerán los mafiosos de las eléctricas y sus lacayos del PPSOE.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>ur_quan_master</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>12116791</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1810377</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>31</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--152680--</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>1</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>18</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva</meneame:url>
		<title>#31 Eléctricas a la defensiva</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva/c031#c-31</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 18:16:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--152680--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva/c031#c-31</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>las instalaciones solares completas tambien van bajando de precio: <br />
<a href="http://www.aki.es/promociones/proyectos-solares" title="www.aki.es/promociones/proyectos-solares" rel="nofollow">www.aki.es/promociones/proyectos-solares</a></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--152680--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>12116722</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1810377</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>30</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Alberto_meneame</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>3</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>31</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva</meneame:url>
		<title>#30 Eléctricas a la defensiva</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva/c030#c-30</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 18:02:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Alberto_meneame</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva/c030#c-30</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:1810377-14" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva/c014#c-14" rel="nofollow">#14</a> Basicamente la idea es solo comprar energía renovable a las grandes electricas para así forzarlas a que se pasen a las energías renovables. A parte está todo el tema de que siempre en una cooperativa no te encontraras el mal rollo de las grandes compañias. Además el precio que pagas de la factura es el mismo.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Alberto_meneame</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>12116700</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1810377</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>29</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>jonaselyonas</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>6</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva</meneame:url>
		<title>#29 Eléctricas a la defensiva</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva/c029#c-29</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 17:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>jonaselyonas</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva/c029#c-29</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>para comparar ofertas de las distribuidoras eléctricas visitad la web de la CNE <a href="http://www.comparador.cne.es/comparador/comp2.cfm" title="www.comparador.cne.es/comparador/comp2.cfm" rel="nofollow">www.comparador.cne.es/comparador/comp2.cfm</a></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>jonaselyonas</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>12116621</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1810377</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>28</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>jonaselyonas</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>4</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>39</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva</meneame:url>
		<title>#28 Eléctricas a la defensiva</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva/c028#c-28</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 17:45:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>jonaselyonas</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva/c028#c-28</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:1810377-13" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva/c013#c-13" rel="nofollow">#13</a>  Yo también soy de Som Energía.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>jonaselyonas</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>12116521</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1810377</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>27</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>akera</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>6</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva</meneame:url>
		<title>#27 Eléctricas a la defensiva</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva/c027#c-27</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 17:23:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>akera</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva/c027#c-27</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p># 26 crees que compensa,me podrias poner algun enlace donde podria conseguir mas informacion sobre las baterias de plomo.gracias</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>akera</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>12116459</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1810377</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>26</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--234567--</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>1</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>19</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva</meneame:url>
		<title>#26 Eléctricas a la defensiva</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva/c026#c-26</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 17:10:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--234567--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva/c026#c-26</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:1810377-25" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva/c025#c-25" rel="nofollow">#25</a> <a class="tooltip c:1810377-24" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva/c024#c-24" rel="nofollow">#24</a> como la ley de balance neto tiene pinta de que va a hacer pagar a los autoconsumidores gastos por distribución que quién sabe cuales serán, creo que compensa mucho más colocar tus propias baterías de almacenamiento en casa, al tiempo que mantienes una toma con la compañía para cuando no quede más remedio.<br />
<br />
Hay que tener en cuenta que unas baterías de plomo son bastante económicas, no tienen por qué ser de ion litio, o de última generación.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--234567--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>12116404</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1810377</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>25</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>akera</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>2</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>25</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva</meneame:url>
		<title>#25 Eléctricas a la defensiva</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva/c025#c-25</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 16:59:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>akera</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva/c025#c-25</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:1810377-19" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva/c019#c-19" rel="nofollow">#19</a> lo que pasa es que con los contadores nuevos bienen de fabrica unidireccionales en vez de bidireccionales que quiere decir esto que si pones energias renovables en casa para autoconsumo y te sobra, la viertes a la red y al pasar por el contador cuenta como si la estuvieras consumiendo(le regalas la luz y van y te la cobran)si los contadores biniesen de fabrica bidireccionales, cuenta lo que consumes de la red y si produces corriente de mas te la descuenta el contador.yo quiero poner placas solares pero tengo que esperar a que salga la ley de balance neto.(creo que para que salga esa ley en españa, tendremos antes que instaurar una democracia)<br />
eso es a lo que se refiere <a class="tooltip c:1810377-18" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva/c018#c-18" rel="nofollow">#18</a></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>akera</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>12116394</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1810377</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>24</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Alvar</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>1</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>22</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva</meneame:url>
		<title>#24 Eléctricas a la defensiva</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva/c024#c-24</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 16:57:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Alvar</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva/c024#c-24</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:1810377-23" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva/c023#c-23" rel="nofollow">#23</a> <a class="tooltip c:1810377-19" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva/c019#c-19" rel="nofollow">#19</a> Pues yo he oído que están multando a personas que quieren autoabastecerse energéticamente.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Alvar</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>12116361</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1810377</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>23</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Pancar</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>12</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva</meneame:url>
		<title>#23 Eléctricas a la defensiva</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva/c023#c-23</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 16:48:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Pancar</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva/c023#c-23</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:1810377-18" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva/c018#c-18" rel="nofollow">#18</a> No pasa absolutamente nada, puedes poner todos los paneles que quieras y autoabastecerte completamente.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Pancar</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>12116337</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:order>22</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>aguilareal661</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>10</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva</meneame:url>
		<title>#22 Eléctricas a la defensiva</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva/c022#c-22</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 16:41:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>aguilareal661</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:1810377-20" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva/c020#c-20" rel="nofollow">#20</a> uno mas</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>aguilareal661</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:user>mmlv</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>9</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>101</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva</meneame:url>
		<title>#21 Eléctricas a la defensiva</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva/c021#c-21</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 16:12:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>mmlv</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva/c021#c-21</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>Hay que darles donde más les duele:<br />
<br />
<a href="http://www.somenergia.com/" title="www.somenergia.com/" rel="nofollow">www.somenergia.com/</a><br />
<br />
<a href="http://www.gesternova.com/" title="www.gesternova.com/" rel="nofollow">www.gesternova.com/</a></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>mmlv</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>12116231</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1810377</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>20</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--349771--</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>1</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>15</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva</meneame:url>
		<title>#20 Eléctricas a la defensiva</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva/c020#c-20</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 16:10:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--349771--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva/c020#c-20</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>[Usuario deshabilitado]</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--349771--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>12116230</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1810377</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>19</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--234567--</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>12</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva</meneame:url>
		<title>#19 Eléctricas a la defensiva</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva/c019#c-19</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 16:10:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--234567--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva/c019#c-19</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:1810377-18" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva/c018#c-18" rel="nofollow">#18</a> qué pasa??</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--234567--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>12116193</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1810377</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>18</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Alvar</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>3</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>38</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva</meneame:url>
		<title>#18 Eléctricas a la defensiva</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva/c018#c-18</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 16:02:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Alvar</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva/c018#c-18</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>las empresas energéticas de españa son auténticas MAFIAS que persiguen, roban y atracan al pueblo.<br />
Intentad poner un pequeño panel solar en vuestra casa para autoabasteceros, ya verás lo que pasa</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Alvar</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>12116169</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1810377</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>17</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>SHION</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>1</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>17</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva</meneame:url>
		<title>#17 Eléctricas a la defensiva</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva/c017#c-17</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 15:56:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>SHION</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva/c017#c-17</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>Que pongan contadores reversibles para que la gente se anime a instalar kits solares en sus viviendas.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>SHION</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>12116085</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1810377</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>16</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>pasapues</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>9</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva</meneame:url>
		<title>#16 Eléctricas a la defensiva</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva/c016#c-16</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 15:37:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>pasapues</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva/c016#c-16</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:1810377-10" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva/c010#c-10" rel="nofollow">#10</a> es estafaluz.com (con .COM en vez de .ES)</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>pasapues</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>12116022</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1810377</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>15</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>fayser</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>1</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>16</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva</meneame:url>
		<title>#15 Eléctricas a la defensiva</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva/c015#c-15</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 15:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>fayser</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva/c015#c-15</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:1810377-13" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva/c013#c-13" rel="nofollow">#13</a> y encima una forma de presionar barata, sus tarifas son iguales o mejores que las de la competencia.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>fayser</strong></p>]]></description>
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	<item>
		<meneame:comment_id>12116015</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1810377</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>14</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--202272--</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>9</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva</meneame:url>
		<title>#14 Eléctricas a la defensiva</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva/c014#c-14</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 15:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--202272--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva/c014#c-14</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>[Usuario deshabilitado]</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--202272--</strong></p>]]></description>
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	<item>
		<meneame:comment_id>12115990</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1810377</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>13</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Alberto_meneame</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>5</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>46</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva</meneame:url>
		<title>#13 Eléctricas a la defensiva</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva/c013#c-13</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 15:12:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Alberto_meneame</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva/c013#c-13</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>Yo ya me he pasado a la cooperativa som energía. Otra manera de presionar.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Alberto_meneame</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>12115983</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1810377</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>12</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Autarca</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>5</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>40</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva</meneame:url>
		<title>#12 Eléctricas a la defensiva</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva/c012#c-12</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 15:10:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Autarca</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva/c012#c-12</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>La batalla será difícil. No olvidemos que tienen el apoyo incondicional de dos partidos politicos a los que quince millones de zombies votan sí o sí.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Autarca</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>12115945</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1810377</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>11</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Tartesos</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>1</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>21</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva</meneame:url>
		<title>#11 Eléctricas a la defensiva</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva/c011#c-11</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 15:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Tartesos</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva/c011#c-11</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>El secreto de este sistema social está en su modelo energético. Si cambia el modelo, cambiará la sociedad.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Tartesos</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>12115943</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1810377</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>10</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--358984--</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>7</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>65</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva</meneame:url>
		<title>#10 Eléctricas a la defensiva</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva/c010#c-10</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 15:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--358984--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva/c010#c-10</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>Creo que el enlace al final del artículo está mal, es <a href="http://www.estafaluz.com/" title="www.estafaluz.com/" rel="nofollow">www.estafaluz.com/</a></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--358984--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>12115917</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1810377</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>9</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>con_polemica</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>6</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva</meneame:url>
		<title>#9 Eléctricas a la defensiva</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva/c09#c-9</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 14:56:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>con_polemica</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva/c09#c-9</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>Aprender de Rubí!</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>con_polemica</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>12115895</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1810377</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>8</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>aguilareal661</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>3</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>16</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva</meneame:url>
		<title>#8 Eléctricas a la defensiva</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva/c08#c-8</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 14:50:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>aguilareal661</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva/c08#c-8</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:1810377-5" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva/c05#c-5" rel="nofollow">#5</a> pues siento no estar de acuerdo, si me lo permites, el problema energético viene unido por la energía nuclear que es la que frena todo impulso a  que haya una energía limpia y que los estados mantienen sus centrales para poder operar con bombas atómicas y si no mira el recordatorio que le ha dado EEUU a japón para que siga produciendo combustible atómico y al final japón hará funcionar sus nucleares, aunque la mitad de su población sufra de radiación, nosotros también tenemos una planta de enriquecer uranio, lo que no se, si son todas merinas o todas churras, el mundo lo decidirá <br />
un saludo</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>aguilareal661</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>12115773</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1810377</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>7</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>dosvga</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>9</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>79</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva</meneame:url>
		<title>#7 Eléctricas a la defensiva</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva/c07#c-7</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 14:19:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>dosvga</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva/c07#c-7</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>El mundo está cambiando (ha empezado a cambiar hace 20 años) con Internet y la influencia de los internautas. Pero los dinosaurios no se enteran. En unos años (lustros o décadas, quién lo sabe), se extinguirán los dinosaurios que no se adapten a las nuevas condiciones climáticas y pervivirá una nueva familia de mamíferos.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>dosvga</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>12115147</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1810377</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>6</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Mordisquitos</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>8</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>82</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva</meneame:url>
		<title>#6 Eléctricas a la defensiva</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva/c06#c-6</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 11:52:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mordisquitos</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva/c06#c-6</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:1810377-4" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva/c04#c-4" rel="nofollow">#4</a> Bombillas... eso son como bombas pequeñillas. ETA ponía bombas. Yo no digo más.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Mordisquitos</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>12114700</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1810377</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>5</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--14345--</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>12</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>126</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva</meneame:url>
		<title>#5 Eléctricas a la defensiva</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva/c05#c-5</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 10:14:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--14345--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva/c05#c-5</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:1810377-4" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva/c04#c-4" rel="nofollow">#4</a> Churras&#60;--------&#62; Merinas.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--14345--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>12111531</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1810377</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>4</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>aguilareal661</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>22</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>-177</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva</meneame:url>
		<title>#4 Eléctricas a la defensiva</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva/c04#c-4</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2013 15:05:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>aguilareal661</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva/c04#c-4</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>estos tamben dicen q tocan la energia nuclear para encender bombillas...............    La semana que viene Corea del Norte podría realizar una nueva prueba nuclear, informa la agencia de noticias rusa Itar Tass citando medios surcoreanos.<br />
<br />
Texto completo en: <a href="http://actualidad.rt.com/actualidad/view/83516-corea-norte-podria-llevar-cabo-prueba-nuclear-proxima-semana" title="actualidad.rt.com/actualidad/view/83516-corea-norte-podria-llevar-cabo-prueba-nuclear-proxima-semana" rel="nofollow">actualidad.rt.com/actualidad/view/83516-corea-norte-podria-llevar-cabo</a></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>aguilareal661</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>12110442</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1810377</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>3</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>aguilareal661</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>4</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>47</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva</meneame:url>
		<title>#3 Eléctricas a la defensiva</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva/c03#c-3</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2013 10:55:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>aguilareal661</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva/c03#c-3</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.lavanguardia.com/local/castilla-leon/20130111/54360781887/villanueva-asegura-que-industria-inyectara-este-mes-111-millones-en-ayudas-al-sector-minero-correspo.html#.UPEyxyRaDQU.twitter" title="www.lavanguardia.com/local/castilla-leon/20130111/54360781887/villanueva-asegura-que-industria-inyectara-este-mes-111-millones-en-ayudas-al-sector-minero-correspo.html#.UPEyxyRaDQU.twitter" rel="nofollow">www.lavanguardia.com/local/castilla-leon/20130111/54360781887/villanue</a> Villanueva asegura que Industria inyectará este mes 111 millones en ayudas al sector minero correspondientes a 2012 &#34;&#34; y esto sigue no hay quien lo pare</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>aguilareal661</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>12109442</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1810377</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>2</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>aguilareal661</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>24</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>220</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva</meneame:url>
		<title>#2 Eléctricas a la defensiva</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva/c02#c-2</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2013 00:05:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>aguilareal661</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva/c02#c-2</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>¿Y si todos los municipios compraran solo energía renovable, como Rubí? <a href="http://www.energias-renovables.com/articulo/y-si-todos-los-municipios-compraran-20130110" title="www.energias-renovables.com/articulo/y-si-todos-los-municipios-compraran-20130110" rel="nofollow">www.energias-renovables.com/articulo/y-si-todos-los-municipios-comprar</a> … ¿Politico... te atreves en tu pueblo?</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>aguilareal661</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>12109433</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1810377</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>1</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>aguilareal661</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>18</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>159</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva</meneame:url>
		<title>#1 Eléctricas a la defensiva</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva/c01#c-1</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2013 00:03:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>aguilareal661</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/electricas-defensiva/c01#c-1</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>Equo de andalucia ha dado un paso importantisimo <a href="http://equomunidad.org/sites/default/files/la_revolucion_energetica_es_cosa_de_todas.pdf" title="equomunidad.org/sites/default/files/la_revolucion_energetica_es_cosa_de_todas.pdf" rel="nofollow">equomunidad.org/sites/default/files/la_revolucion_energetica_es_cosa_d</a></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>aguilareal661</strong></p>]]></description>
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