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	<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2012 09:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<meneame:comment_id>10593187</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:order>9</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>iramosjan</meneame:user>
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		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/ikea-acusada-usar-presos-politicos-fabricas-eng</meneame:url>
		<title>#9 IKEA acusada de usar presos políticos en sus fabricas. (eng)</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/ikea-acusada-usar-presos-politicos-fabricas-eng/c09#c-9</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2012 09:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>iramosjan</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/ikea-acusada-usar-presos-politicos-fabricas-eng/c09#c-9</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:1599126-8" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/ikea-acusada-usar-presos-politicos-fabricas-eng/c08#c-8" rel="nofollow">#8</a> ¿Y soy yo quien no tiene buena comprensión lectiora? Machoooo...<br />
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2) Eso, que el meneante pone como <strong>hecho</strong>, en el texto lo pone como una acusación no probada.<br />
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3) Lo dicho. El texto <strong>no dice</strong> que los 65 talleres fueran prisiones, y mucho menos que en las prisiones en las que se fabricaban muebles fueran de IKEA. Tiene un cuidado exquisito.<br />
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Y lo mismo respecto al ex-guardia. Lo que el periodista ha escrito es que los presos fabricaban muebles; con muchísimo cuidadito ha evitado decir que fabricaban muebles de IKEA. 'The Independent' toma todas las precauciones del mundo, porque luego las demandas por difamación duelen mucho, y a IKEA le sobra el dinero para llevar al periodista y al peródico a los tribunales.<br />
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Y ya que hablamos de comprensión lectora, yo no tengo ni idea de si IKEA colaboró con el gobierno de la Alemania Oriental hace 30 años. Lo que digo es que el peródico que ha publicado esta noticia tampoco parece que esté precisamente seguro del tema...</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>iramosjan</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>10586875</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1599126</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>8</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--90600--</meneame:user>
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		<meneame:karma>42</meneame:karma>
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		<title>#8 IKEA acusada de usar presos políticos en sus fabricas. (eng)</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/ikea-acusada-usar-presos-politicos-fabricas-eng/c08#c-8</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2012 11:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--90600--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/ikea-acusada-usar-presos-politicos-fabricas-eng/c08#c-8</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:1599126-7" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/ikea-acusada-usar-presos-politicos-fabricas-eng/c07#c-7" rel="nofollow">#7</a> Tu no tienes muy buena comprension lectora, no?<br />
2) <i>The charges, which include the suggestion that the world’s largest furniture retailer, <b>also once worked hand in hand with East Germany’s despised Stasi secret police</b>, </i><br />
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Ahi lo tienes bastante claro.<br />
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3)<i> A documentary by the German public television channel, WDR, revealed last year that in East Germany alone, at least 65 workshops were used for the manufacture of Ikea products. <b>WDR said that it had also identified several East German prisons where inmates, including political prisoners were used to make furniture.</b></i><br />
Y ahi lo de las talleres.<br />
E incluso reconociendo que el trabajo en dichos talleres forma parte de las tareas de los reclusos:<br />
&#34;<i>A former prison guard told WDR that furniture production <b>was part of prison labour</b></i>&#34;</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--90600--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>10586753</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1599126</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>7</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>iramosjan</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>4</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>-16</meneame:karma>
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		<title>#7 IKEA acusada de usar presos políticos en sus fabricas. (eng)</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/ikea-acusada-usar-presos-politicos-fabricas-eng/c07#c-7</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2012 11:01:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>iramosjan</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Microblogging descarado: <br />
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1. el titular original es &#34;Ikea accused of using East German political prisoners to manufacture furniture&#34;.<br />
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2. <b>En ninguna parte </b> dice el texto original eso de que &#34;Trabajó conjuntamente con la Stasi&#34;. Eso se lo ha inventado enterito el compañero.<br />
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3. El texto original se la coge con papel de fumar. Es muy, muy cuidadoso, mide cada palabra... da toda la impresión de que esos investigadores dicen haber encontrado indicios, pero no pruebas. Por ejemplo, respecto a lo de los 65 talleres, lo que de verdad dice el original es que según una cadena de TV IKEA contrató 65 talleres en Alemania Oriental para producir muebles, y que &#34;it had also identified several East German prisons where inmates, including political prisoners were used to make furniture&#34;. <strong>No dice</strong> que los 65 talleres fueran prisiones; de hecho, evita muy cuidadosamente decir que en esas prisiones los muebles que se fabricaban fuesen de IKEA...</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>iramosjan</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:order>6</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>winstonsmithh</meneame:user>
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		<meneame:karma>43</meneame:karma>
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		<title>#6 IKEA acusada de usar presos políticos en sus fabricas. (eng)</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/ikea-acusada-usar-presos-politicos-fabricas-eng/c06#c-6</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2012 20:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>winstonsmithh</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/ikea-acusada-usar-presos-politicos-fabricas-eng/c06#c-6</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:1599126-5" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/ikea-acusada-usar-presos-politicos-fabricas-eng/c05#c-5" rel="nofollow">#5</a> ¿La amiga de quién era al final?</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>winstonsmithh</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>10582845</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:order>5</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Nirupo</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>4</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>65</meneame:karma>
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		<title>#5 IKEA acusada de usar presos políticos en sus fabricas. (eng)</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/ikea-acusada-usar-presos-politicos-fabricas-eng/c05#c-5</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2012 18:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Nirupo</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/ikea-acusada-usar-presos-politicos-fabricas-eng/c05#c-5</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:1599126-1" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/ikea-acusada-usar-presos-politicos-fabricas-eng/c01#c-1" rel="nofollow">#1</a> disculpa , me refiero a <b>mi</b> mujer , no a la tuya <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/palm.png" alt=":palm:" title=":palm:" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /> <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/lol.gif" alt="xD" title=":lol: xD" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /> <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/lol.gif" alt="xD" title=":lol: xD" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /> <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/lol.gif" alt="xD" title=":lol: xD" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /> que he empezado la frase de una manera y la he terminado de otra</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Nirupo</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>10582800</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1599126</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>4</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>crob</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>7</meneame:karma>
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		<title>#4 IKEA acusada de usar presos políticos en sus fabricas. (eng)</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/ikea-acusada-usar-presos-politicos-fabricas-eng/c04#c-4</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2012 18:48:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>crob</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/ikea-acusada-usar-presos-politicos-fabricas-eng/c04#c-4</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>¿Cuantas empresas fabrican actualmente en países con unas condiciones similares?</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>crob</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>10582785</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1599126</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>3</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Neikon</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>7</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/ikea-acusada-usar-presos-politicos-fabricas-eng</meneame:url>
		<title>#3 IKEA acusada de usar presos políticos en sus fabricas. (eng)</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/ikea-acusada-usar-presos-politicos-fabricas-eng/c03#c-3</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2012 18:45:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Neikon</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/ikea-acusada-usar-presos-politicos-fabricas-eng/c03#c-3</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>Vamos, que aqu'i hay para todos</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Neikon</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>10582780</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1599126</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>2</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Nirupo</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>1</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>29</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/ikea-acusada-usar-presos-politicos-fabricas-eng</meneame:url>
		<title>#2 IKEA acusada de usar presos políticos en sus fabricas. (eng)</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/ikea-acusada-usar-presos-politicos-fabricas-eng/c02#c-2</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2012 18:45:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Nirupo</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/ikea-acusada-usar-presos-politicos-fabricas-eng/c02#c-2</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:1599126-1" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/ikea-acusada-usar-presos-politicos-fabricas-eng/c01#c-1" rel="nofollow">#1</a> Te aseguro que ir con tu mujer y una amiga jubilada al IKEA ha sido una de las mayores experiencias religiosas que he tenido en mi vida: he conocido el infierno de primera mano <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/palm.png" alt=":palm:" title=":palm:" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /> <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/lol.gif" alt="xD" title=":lol: xD" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /> <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/lol.gif" alt="xD" title=":lol: xD" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /> <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/lol.gif" alt="xD" title=":lol: xD" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Nirupo</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>10582702</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1599126</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>1</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--222277--</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>4</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>64</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/ikea-acusada-usar-presos-politicos-fabricas-eng</meneame:url>
		<title>#1 IKEA acusada de usar presos políticos en sus fabricas. (eng)</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/ikea-acusada-usar-presos-politicos-fabricas-eng/c01#c-1</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2012 18:31:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--222277--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/ikea-acusada-usar-presos-politicos-fabricas-eng/c01#c-1</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>Al pasar la puerta del Ikea te conviertes en un preso político, de ese laberinto infernal.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--222277--</strong></p>]]></description>
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