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		<meneame:comment_id>9520357</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:order>48</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Wayfarer</meneame:user>
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		<meneame:karma>10</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt</meneame:url>
		<title>#48 El desastre de Fobos-Grunt</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c048#c-48</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Nov 2011 22:28:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Wayfarer</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:1433360-47" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c047#c-47" rel="nofollow">#47</a> Distintas fuentes, distintos datos; así era imposible que acertáramos <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/tongue.png" alt=":-P" title=":-P" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /><br />
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Las dos adicionales que aparecen en ese listado con respecto a las de la Wikipedia son:<br />
   <br />
<i>  / # / Launch date / Country / Spacecraft / Launcher / Mission goal / Comments <br />
7 / 6 / 1963 Nov. 11 / USSR / 3MV-1A No. 2 (Cosmos-21) / 8K78/G103-18 / Mars flyby / Failed to leave low Earth orbit<br />
10 / 8 / 1965 July 18 / USSR / 3MV-4 No. 3 (Zond-3) / 8K78 / Mars orbit vicinity / Photographed the Moon<br />
</i><br />
De la Cosmos 21 el artículo de la Wikipedia dice que tenía una misión desconocida y que se supone que era un lanzamiento de prueba a Venus. La Encyclopedia Astronautica sí la lista como misión a Marte, pero la nombra 'Venera'. En cualquier caso no salió de LEO.<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmos_21" title="en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmos_21" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmos_21</a><br />
<a href="http://www.astronautix.com/craft/ven3mv1a.htm" title="www.astronautix.com/craft/ven3mv1a.htm" rel="nofollow">www.astronautix.com/craft/ven3mv1a.htm</a><br />
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De la Zond-3 la Wikipedia dice que en origen era una misión a Marte pero que perdieron la ventana de lanzamiento y la aprovecharon para pruebas de telemetría y para hacer un flyby sobre la Luna.<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zond_3" title="en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zond_3" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zond_3</a><br />
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Por cierto, que según la Encyclopedia Astronautica las misiones de URSS/Rusia a Marte fueron 21 hasta 1996, con lo que añadiendo esta última Fobos-Grunt nos da un total de <b>22</b> misiones. Vamos, que <i>ni pa ti ni pa mi</i>. ;D</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Wayfarer</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>9516355</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1433360</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>47</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>periwinkle</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>1</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>17</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt</meneame:url>
		<title>#47 El desastre de Fobos-Grunt</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c047#c-47</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Nov 2011 10:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>periwinkle</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c047#c-47</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:1433360-46" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c046#c-46" rel="nofollow">#46</a> <a href="http://www.russianspaceweb.com/spacecraft_planetary_mars.html" title="www.russianspaceweb.com/spacecraft_planetary_mars.html" rel="nofollow">www.russianspaceweb.com/spacecraft_planetary_mars.html</a> Esa es mi fuente <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/wink.png" alt=";)" title=";)" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>periwinkle</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>9515697</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1433360</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>46</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Wayfarer</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>10</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt</meneame:url>
		<title>#46 El desastre de Fobos-Grunt</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c046#c-46</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Nov 2011 01:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Wayfarer</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c046#c-46</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:1433360-27" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c027#c-27" rel="nofollow">#27</a> Te equivocas. <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/wink.png" alt=";)" title=";)" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /><br />
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Cuenta otra vez: son 17 como URSS y 2 como Rusia, 19 en total.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Wayfarer</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>9514108</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1433360</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>45</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Ann</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>6</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt</meneame:url>
		<title>#45 El desastre de Fobos-Grunt</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c045#c-45</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Nov 2011 18:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Ann</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c045#c-45</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:1433360-43" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c043#c-43" rel="nofollow">#43</a> Claro, los amigos son USA , Inglaterra y Wall Street, no?<br />
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Excelentes &#34;amigos&#34; tenes, macho!. ja ja ja</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Ann</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>9514101</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1433360</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>44</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Ann</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>6</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt</meneame:url>
		<title>#44 El desastre de Fobos-Grunt</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c044#c-44</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Nov 2011 18:18:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Ann</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c044#c-44</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:1433360-38" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c038#c-38" rel="nofollow">#38</a> la de virguerias que se pueden hacer durante un mes, una semana, un dia incluso!. La de pruebas que se pueden hacer, la de ondas que se pueden dejar orbitando... Posiblemente en connivencia con otros poderes, USA, CHina, el que mas convenga a sus intereses.<br />
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Lo que es sospechoso son 19 proyectos fallidos. Ya con 7 seria escandaloso. Pero de otra forma enviar satelites sin que parezca que lo ahcen.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Ann</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>9513080</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1433360</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>43</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--138650--</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>3</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>-20</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt</meneame:url>
		<title>#43 El desastre de Fobos-Grunt</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c043#c-43</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Nov 2011 14:44:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--138650--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c043#c-43</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>[Usuario deshabilitado]</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--138650--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>9512858</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1433360</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>42</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Forestalx</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>7</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt</meneame:url>
		<title>#42 El desastre de Fobos-Grunt</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c042#c-42</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Nov 2011 14:02:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Forestalx</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c042#c-42</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>Los rusos están gafados con Marte, es increíble...</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Forestalx</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>9512383</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1433360</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>41</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Mikeien</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>2</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>37</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt</meneame:url>
		<title>#41 El desastre de Fobos-Grunt</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c041#c-41</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Nov 2011 12:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mikeien</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c041#c-41</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>Maldita sea. Con lo mal que esta la exploración espacial, esto es un desastre muy grande. <br />
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Marte es el planeta maldito para Rusia. Con Venus lo hicieron genial, pero los fracasos de los sondas marcianas rusas se acercan al 100%. En fin, una verdadera lastima.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Mikeien</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>9511934</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1433360</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>40</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>calvo</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>7</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt</meneame:url>
		<title>#40 El desastre de Fobos-Grunt</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c040#c-40</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Nov 2011 11:23:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>calvo</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c040#c-40</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:1433360-20" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c020#c-20" rel="nofollow">#20</a> Máster en aeroespacial, ¿por?</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>calvo</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>9511859</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1433360</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>39</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Oestrimnio</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>1</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>13</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt</meneame:url>
		<title>#39 El desastre de Fobos-Grunt</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c039#c-39</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Nov 2011 11:10:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Oestrimnio</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c039#c-39</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:1433360-13" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c013#c-13" rel="nofollow">#13</a> Si te parases a pensar un poquito, sabrías que Curiosity es fruto de los presupuestos de años atrás, pero que el grandisimo problema de la NASA es que no tienen fondos para empezar nuevas sondas, o incluso, para acabar proyectos que tienen años y miles de millones a sus espaldas:  el teléscopio James Webb o las sondas JEO y MAX-C a Jupiter/Europa y Marte respectivamente.<br />
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p.d. Y no se dice ignorador, pedazo de ignorante.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Oestrimnio</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>9511835</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1433360</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>38</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--55119--</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>1</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>21</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt</meneame:url>
		<title>#38 El desastre de Fobos-Grunt</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c038#c-38</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Nov 2011 11:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--55119--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c038#c-38</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:1433360-35" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c035#c-35" rel="nofollow">#35</a> Esa nave permanecerá un mes orbitando.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--55119--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>9511641</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1433360</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>37</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Ousdog</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>6</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt</meneame:url>
		<title>#37 El desastre de Fobos-Grunt</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c037#c-37</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Nov 2011 10:37:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Ousdog</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c037#c-37</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>No se puede poner cualquier ordenador en un satélite. Solo por las restricciones energéticas y de refrigeración ya complican mucho el tema, y además hay que hacerlo inmune a la radiación solar.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Ousdog</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>9511613</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:order>36</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Yep</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>2</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>19</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt</meneame:url>
		<title>#36 El desastre de Fobos-Grunt</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c036#c-36</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Nov 2011 10:33:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Yep</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c036#c-36</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:1433360-22" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c022#c-22" rel="nofollow">#22</a> ¿Aprovechar la energía del Sol en la Luna? ¿Con noches de 354 horas? no van por ahí los tiros en lo que suministrar energía a futuras bases se refiere.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Yep</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>9511596</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1433360</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>35</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Ann</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>6</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt</meneame:url>
		<title>#35 El desastre de Fobos-Grunt</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c035#c-35</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Nov 2011 10:31:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Ann</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c035#c-35</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>La exploraciona Marte solo es una tapàdera para seguir sus proyectos de vigilancia y guerra espacial. Esa investigacion les interesa, pero muchisimo mas los asuntosmundanos, la politica de aqui. <br />
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Ahora esa nave permanecera bastante tiempo orbitando, como las otras, alrededor de la tierra...   <br />
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¿Realmente les interesa Marte... o más la misma Tierra?<br />
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Es el mismo truco de los OVNIS: se conviertenen extraterrestres loq ue son investigacion y pruebas deprototipos humanos... asi se desvia la atencion. <br />
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Estos militares!.<br />
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Ellos dicen: &#34;oh, el19 envio ha fracasado tambien!, que lastima!&#34;<br />
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Y voy yo y me lo creo, ja jaja</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Ann</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>9511457</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:user>--35879--</meneame:user>
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		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt</meneame:url>
		<title>#34 El desastre de Fobos-Grunt</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c034#c-34</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Nov 2011 10:05:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--35879--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c034#c-34</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:1433360-33" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c033#c-33" rel="nofollow">#33</a> Cierto, habrán reciclado el ordenador de un submarino <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/lol.gif" alt="xD" title=":lol: xD" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--35879--</strong></p>]]></description>
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	<item>
		<meneame:comment_id>9511420</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1433360</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>33</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--55119--</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>15</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt</meneame:url>
		<title>#33 El desastre de Fobos-Grunt</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c033#c-33</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Nov 2011 09:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--55119--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c033#c-33</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:1433360-32" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c032#c-32" rel="nofollow">#32</a> Tienen un presupuesto de risa. No da para más.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--55119--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>9511331</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1433360</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>32</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--35879--</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>7</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt</meneame:url>
		<title>#32 El desastre de Fobos-Grunt</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c032#c-32</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Nov 2011 09:33:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--35879--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c032#c-32</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>&#34;Hemos podido saber que la nave ha sido diseñada de tal forma que le resulta prácticamente imposible recibir telemetría durante la primera fase de la misión.(...). &#34;<br />
<br />
¿Por qué siguen diseñando estos aparatos tan inflexibles? Parece que llevarán un ordenador  de los años 50.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--35879--</strong></p>]]></description>
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	<item>
		<meneame:comment_id>9511302</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1433360</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>31</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--55119--</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>15</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt</meneame:url>
		<title>#31 El desastre de Fobos-Grunt</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c031#c-31</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Nov 2011 09:26:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--55119--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c031#c-31</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>La verdad es que una misión cómo esta en condiciones, tranquilamente hubiera costado entre 5 y 10 veces más.<br />
<br />
Era evidente que era difícil que funcionara.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--55119--</strong></p>]]></description>
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	<item>
		<meneame:comment_id>9511280</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1433360</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>30</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>vilgeits</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>6</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt</meneame:url>
		<title>#30 El desastre de Fobos-Grunt</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c030#c-30</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Nov 2011 09:20:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>vilgeits</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c030#c-30</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>Maldito ordenador. Ya les dije que actualizasen a Windows XP, pero ni caso.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>vilgeits</strong></p>]]></description>
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	<item>
		<meneame:comment_id>9511167</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1433360</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>29</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Toranks</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>1</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>16</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt</meneame:url>
		<title>#29 El desastre de Fobos-Grunt</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c029#c-29</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Nov 2011 08:45:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Toranks</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c029#c-29</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><i> Debido a diversas presiones políticas, NPO Lávochkin decidió diseñar el ordenador por su cuenta, a pesar de carecer de experiencia previa en la construcción de sistemas parecidos</i><br />
<br />
¿Por qué ostias la política lo tiene que contaminar todo? <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/sad.png" alt=":-(" title=":-(" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Toranks</strong></p>]]></description>
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	<item>
		<meneame:comment_id>9511152</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1433360</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>28</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Toranks</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>1</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>17</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt</meneame:url>
		<title>#28 El desastre de Fobos-Grunt</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c028#c-28</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Nov 2011 08:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Toranks</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c028#c-28</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>Pues se vuelve a intentar y punto. La tecnología espacial es algo en lo que jamás hay que ahorrar.<br />
Así es la ciencia, y así funciona.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Toranks</strong></p>]]></description>
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	<item>
		<meneame:comment_id>9511151</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1433360</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>27</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>periwinkle</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>1</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>22</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt</meneame:url>
		<title>#27 El desastre de Fobos-Grunt</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c027#c-27</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Nov 2011 08:38:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>periwinkle</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c027#c-27</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:1433360-3" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c03#c-3" rel="nofollow">#3</a> Han mandado 21, si no me equivoco. 19 como URSS y 2 como Rusia.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>periwinkle</strong></p>]]></description>
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	<item>
		<meneame:comment_id>9511086</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1433360</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>26</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>LeDYoM</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>8</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt</meneame:url>
		<title>#26 El desastre de Fobos-Grunt</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c026#c-26</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Nov 2011 08:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>LeDYoM</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c026#c-26</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>Esto pasa por contratar a Carlos Sainz de ingeniero.<br />
Trata de arrancarlo.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>LeDYoM</strong></p>]]></description>
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	<item>
		<meneame:comment_id>9511071</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1433360</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>25</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Gudea</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>1</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>20</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt</meneame:url>
		<title>#25 El desastre de Fobos-Grunt</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c025#c-25</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Nov 2011 08:03:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Gudea</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c025#c-25</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:1433360-7" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c07#c-7" rel="nofollow">#7</a> creo que es la primera vez que voto negativo a un comentario...<br />
Esto es una putada. La exploración espacial en estos momentos pasa por un tremendo bache d financiación. Estas noticias no son nada buenas.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Gudea</strong></p>]]></description>
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	<item>
		<meneame:comment_id>9511016</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1433360</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>24</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>machielo</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>7</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt</meneame:url>
		<title>#24 El desastre de Fobos-Grunt</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c024#c-24</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Nov 2011 07:26:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>machielo</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c024#c-24</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>Qué desastre <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/sad.png" alt=":-(" title=":-(" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>machielo</strong></p>]]></description>
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	<item>
		<meneame:comment_id>9511011</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1433360</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>23</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--7636--</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>3</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>4</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt</meneame:url>
		<title>#23 El desastre de Fobos-Grunt</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c023#c-23</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Nov 2011 07:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--7636--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c023#c-23</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>¿Y no cabría la posibilidad de <b>sabotaje</b>? Es decir, que algún país estuviera celoso de este tipo de misiones y las saboteara a control remoto. ¿Sería posible?</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--7636--</strong></p>]]></description>
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	<item>
		<meneame:comment_id>9511009</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1433360</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>22</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--7636--</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>9</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt</meneame:url>
		<title>#22 El desastre de Fobos-Grunt</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c022#c-22</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Nov 2011 07:23:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--7636--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c022#c-22</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>Creo que cualquier intento por colonizar el espacio debería comenzar por la luna, creo que es más realista crear bases lunares para aprovechar la energía del sol, satélites de telecomunicaciones e incluso como campo base para futuras exploraciones.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--7636--</strong></p>]]></description>
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	<item>
		<meneame:comment_id>9510969</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1433360</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>21</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>kirkutg765</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>2</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>20</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt</meneame:url>
		<title>#21 El desastre de Fobos-Grunt</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c021#c-21</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Nov 2011 06:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>kirkutg765</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c021#c-21</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:1433360-7" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c07#c-7" rel="nofollow">#7</a> yo me alegraría que Rusia, China, India, Japón o Irán lograran con éxito una misión de esas características</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>kirkutg765</strong></p>]]></description>
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	<item>
		<meneame:comment_id>9510927</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1433360</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>20</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>loco_rayado</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>6</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt</meneame:url>
		<title>#20 El desastre de Fobos-Grunt</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c020#c-20</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Nov 2011 04:56:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>loco_rayado</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c020#c-20</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:1433360-19" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c019#c-19" rel="nofollow">#19</a> ¿qué estudias?</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>loco_rayado</strong></p>]]></description>
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	<item>
		<meneame:comment_id>9510920</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1433360</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>19</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>calvo</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>1</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>16</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt</meneame:url>
		<title>#19 El desastre de Fobos-Grunt</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c019#c-19</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Nov 2011 04:47:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>calvo</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c019#c-19</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>Un profesor nos lo contó esta tarde, empezando con un: '¿hay algún ruso en la sala?'<br />
<br />
¡Qué desastre!</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>calvo</strong></p>]]></description>
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	<item>
		<meneame:comment_id>9510910</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1433360</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>18</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--219330--</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>4</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>33</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt</meneame:url>
		<title>#18 El desastre de Fobos-Grunt</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c018#c-18</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Nov 2011 04:30:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--219330--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c018#c-18</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:1433360-7" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c07#c-7" rel="nofollow">#7</a> Tengo que reconocer que a veces me da gustirrinin votar negativo.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--219330--</strong></p>]]></description>
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	<item>
		<meneame:comment_id>9510909</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1433360</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>17</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Graffin</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>7</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>60</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt</meneame:url>
		<title>#17 El desastre de Fobos-Grunt</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c017#c-17</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Nov 2011 04:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Graffin</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c017#c-17</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:1433360-10" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c010#c-10" rel="nofollow">#10</a> De los errores no, de los estúpidos que en pleno siglo XXI se niegan a adoptar el sistema <b>INTERNACIONAL</b><br />
¿Calculo yo el volumen de combustible en tercios de mahou? No payasos, en litros.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Graffin</strong></p>]]></description>
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	<item>
		<meneame:comment_id>9510888</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1433360</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>16</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Pingocho</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>10</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt</meneame:url>
		<title>#16 El desastre de Fobos-Grunt</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c016#c-16</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Nov 2011 04:04:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Pingocho</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c016#c-16</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:1433360-1" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c01#c-1" rel="nofollow">#1</a> Con lo resistentes que son, volverán a la Tierra sanos y salvos una vez el traste ese vuelva a ingresar a la atmósfera <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/grin.png" alt=":-D" title=":-D" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Pingocho</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>9510858</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1433360</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>15</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--74690--</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>4</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>42</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt</meneame:url>
		<title>#15 El desastre de Fobos-Grunt</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c015#c-15</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Nov 2011 02:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--74690--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c015#c-15</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:1433360-13" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c013#c-13" rel="nofollow">#13</a> Por esa misma regla de tres, deberíamos renegar del programa espacial norteamericano, creado y desarrollado por científicos nazis. Y ya puestos, abjurar de todos los descubrimientos y avances que nacieron de proyectos militares.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--74690--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>9510855</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1433360</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>14</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--93350--</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>5</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>47</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt</meneame:url>
		<title>#14 El desastre de Fobos-Grunt</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c014#c-14</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Nov 2011 02:54:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--93350--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c014#c-14</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>[Usuario deshabilitado]</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--93350--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>9510832</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1433360</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>13</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--138650--</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>26</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>-190</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt</meneame:url>
		<title>#13 El desastre de Fobos-Grunt</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c013#c-13</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Nov 2011 02:25:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--138650--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c013#c-13</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>[Usuario deshabilitado]</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--138650--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>9510824</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1433360</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>12</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Oestrimnio</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>14</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>126</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt</meneame:url>
		<title>#12 El desastre de Fobos-Grunt</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c012#c-12</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Nov 2011 02:21:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Oestrimnio</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c012#c-12</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:1433360-7" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c07#c-7" rel="nofollow">#7</a> Con lo flojisima que se presenta la exploración espacial para los próximos años (EEUU incluido) es muy triste (y estúpido) que te alegres de los fracasos rusos.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Oestrimnio</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>9510820</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1433360</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>11</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--74690--</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>6</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>56</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt</meneame:url>
		<title>#11 El desastre de Fobos-Grunt</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c011#c-11</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Nov 2011 02:18:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--74690--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c011#c-11</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:1433360-8" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c08#c-8" rel="nofollow">#8</a> ¿Las <i>Venera</i> no llegaron a Venus - y cumplieron con lo que les tocaba -? No todo fue propaganda, aunque que la hubo y mucha. El que el régimen soviético fuera una vergüenza no anula el hecho de que el programa <i>Venera</i> fuese un éxito.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--74690--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>9510819</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1433360</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>10</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--86897--</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>7</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt</meneame:url>
		<title>#10 El desastre de Fobos-Grunt</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c010#c-10</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Nov 2011 02:17:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--86897--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c010#c-10</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>A ver como &#34;depuran&#34; responsabilidades, siendo esta una mision entre varios paises (parte china, parte rusa) a saber que error &#34;tonto&#34; fue el culpable. <br />
<br />
Recordemos aquella misión nasa/ESA que estalló por que parte de los calculos estaban en metros y parten en Pies.... <br />
<br />
De los errores se sacan las mejores enseñanzas.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--86897--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>9510816</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1433360</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>9</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--235017--</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>1</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>21</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt</meneame:url>
		<title>#9 El desastre de Fobos-Grunt</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c09#c-9</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Nov 2011 02:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--235017--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c09#c-9</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>Nooooo, los microositos noooooo.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--235017--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>9510798</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1433360</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>8</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--138650--</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>37</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>-250</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt</meneame:url>
		<title>#8 El desastre de Fobos-Grunt</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c08#c-8</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Nov 2011 01:56:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--138650--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c08#c-8</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>[Usuario deshabilitado]</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--138650--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>9510781</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1433360</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>7</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--138650--</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>43</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>-289</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt</meneame:url>
		<title>#7 El desastre de Fobos-Grunt</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c07#c-7</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Nov 2011 01:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--138650--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c07#c-7</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>[Usuario deshabilitado]</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--138650--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>9510743</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1433360</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>6</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--74690--</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>10</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>108</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt</meneame:url>
		<title>#6 El desastre de Fobos-Grunt</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c06#c-6</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Nov 2011 01:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--74690--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c06#c-6</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>Con lo bien que se les dió Venus.<br />
<br />
<a href="http://lapizarradeyuri.blogspot.com/2010/04/baikonur-aqui-nave-interplanetaria.html" title="lapizarradeyuri.blogspot.com/2010/04/baikonur-aqui-nave-interplanetaria.html" rel="nofollow">lapizarradeyuri.blogspot.com/2010/04/baikonur-aqui-nave-interplanetari</a></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--74690--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>9510635</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1433360</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>5</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>nEwI</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>9</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt</meneame:url>
		<title>#5 El desastre de Fobos-Grunt</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c05#c-5</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Nov 2011 00:40:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>nEwI</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c05#c-5</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://muyespatarrante.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/schwarzenegger-en-marte.jpg" title="muyespatarrante.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/schwarzenegger-en-marte.jpg" rel="nofollow">muyespatarrante.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/schwarzenegger-en-marte</a></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>nEwI</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>9510519</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1433360</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>4</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Tensk</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>14</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>147</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt</meneame:url>
		<title>#4 El desastre de Fobos-Grunt</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c04#c-4</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Nov 2011 23:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Tensk</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c04#c-4</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:1433360-2" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c02#c-2" rel="nofollow">#2</a> Lo que no deja de ser curioso para &#34;los rojos&#34;...</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Tensk</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>9510516</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1433360</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>3</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Wayfarer</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>25</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>255</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt</meneame:url>
		<title>#3 El desastre de Fobos-Grunt</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c03#c-3</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Nov 2011 23:41:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Wayfarer</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c03#c-3</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:1433360-2" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c02#c-2" rel="nofollow">#2</a> Totalmente... Madre mía, hasta ahora los rusos han mandado 19 misiones de las cuales han fallado... las 19. La más exitosa fue la Mars 3 en 1971, que tras lograr aterrizar sin estrellarse transmitió datos durante nada más y nada menos que 15... segundos.<br />
<br />
Esta gente está gafada <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/tongue.png" alt=":-P" title=":-P" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /><br />
<br />
Véase <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exploration_of_Mars#Timeline_of_Mars_exploration" title="en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exploration_of_Mars#Timeline_of_Mars_exploration" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exploration_of_Mars#Timeline_of_Mars_exploration</a></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Wayfarer</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>9510469</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1433360</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>2</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>disconubes</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>10</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>116</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt</meneame:url>
		<title>#2 El desastre de Fobos-Grunt</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c02#c-2</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Nov 2011 23:22:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>disconubes</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c02#c-2</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>No hay manera, Marte se le resiste a Rusia, éste es el enésimo fracaso de los rusos con el  Planeta Rojo.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>disconubes</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>9510465</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1433360</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>1</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>jm22381</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>5</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>54</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt</meneame:url>
		<title>#1 El desastre de Fobos-Grunt</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c01#c-1</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Nov 2011 23:21:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>jm22381</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/desastre-fobos-grunt/c01#c-1</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>¿No habrá misión de rescate para los pobres tardígrados? <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/sad.png" alt=":-(" title=":-(" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>jm22381</strong></p>]]></description>
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