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	<pubDate>Sun, 05 Dec 2010 11:39:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<meneame:comment_id>7415676</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1108803</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>11</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Quantum</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>10</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/china-ya-cuarto-pais-mas-invierte-investigacion-cientifica</meneame:url>
		<title>#11 China es ya el cuarto país que más invierte en investigación científica</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/china-ya-cuarto-pais-mas-invierte-investigacion-cientifica/c011#c-11</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Dec 2010 11:39:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Quantum</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/china-ya-cuarto-pais-mas-invierte-investigacion-cientifica/c011#c-11</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>Al menos China tiene claro que a pesar de que tiene recursos naturales , no vivirá eternamente de eso, y debe invertir notablemente en I+D para tener una economía potenciada por el conocimiento, cosa que en España siempre ha sido un caso perdido, y eso que es la única vía de salida a la economía española al no tener recursos naturales, ni grandes industrias. A ver cuando España aprende de los grandes.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Quantum</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>7415337</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1108803</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>10</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Don_Gato</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>10</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/china-ya-cuarto-pais-mas-invierte-investigacion-cientifica</meneame:url>
		<title>#10 China es ya el cuarto país que más invierte en investigación científica</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/china-ya-cuarto-pais-mas-invierte-investigacion-cientifica/c010#c-10</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Dec 2010 10:25:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Don_Gato</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/china-ya-cuarto-pais-mas-invierte-investigacion-cientifica/c010#c-10</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>Menos mal que han añadido la cifra porcentual para no caer en el sensacionalismo, que China es muy grande y las cifras brutas son muy engañosas. <br />
<br />
1.7% del PIB en comparación al 3% de sus más inmediatos predecesores (USA, Japón y Alemania) por lo que aún tiene margen para mejorar bastante. ¿Alguien sabe cuánto se dedica aquí?</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Don_Gato</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>7415084</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1108803</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>9</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--217233--</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>7</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/china-ya-cuarto-pais-mas-invierte-investigacion-cientifica</meneame:url>
		<title>#9 China es ya el cuarto país que más invierte en investigación científica</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/china-ya-cuarto-pais-mas-invierte-investigacion-cientifica/c09#c-9</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Dec 2010 09:11:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--217233--</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>España también invierte en eso no? <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/grin.png" alt=":-D" title=":-D" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /><br />
<br />
Ah no!!! nosotros nos dedicamos a subvencionar otras cosas....</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--217233--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>7415053</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1108803</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>8</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>kastanedowski</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>6</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/china-ya-cuarto-pais-mas-invierte-investigacion-cientifica</meneame:url>
		<title>#8 China es ya el cuarto país que más invierte en investigación científica</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/china-ya-cuarto-pais-mas-invierte-investigacion-cientifica/c08#c-8</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Dec 2010 08:57:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>kastanedowski</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/china-ya-cuarto-pais-mas-invierte-investigacion-cientifica/c08#c-8</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>Pronto no deberemos de hablar ingles.... sino chino!</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>kastanedowski</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>7415031</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1108803</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>7</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--4302--</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>13</meneame:karma>
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		<title>#7 China es ya el cuarto país que más invierte en investigación científica</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/china-ya-cuarto-pais-mas-invierte-investigacion-cientifica/c07#c-7</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Dec 2010 08:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--4302--</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>[Usuario deshabilitado]</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--4302--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>7398556</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1108803</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>6</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Solomon</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>3</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>33</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/china-ya-cuarto-pais-mas-invierte-investigacion-cientifica</meneame:url>
		<title>#6 China es ya el cuarto país que más invierte en investigación científica</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/china-ya-cuarto-pais-mas-invierte-investigacion-cientifica/c06#c-6</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Dec 2010 13:59:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Solomon</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/china-ya-cuarto-pais-mas-invierte-investigacion-cientifica/c06#c-6</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>Y España es ya el cuarto país en... <br />
¿Desarrollar políticos mediocres?¿Comer ladrillos?¿Darle patadas a un balón?¿Envidiología y ciencias del cotilleo? <br />
Elijan ustedes, hay múltiples opciones en las que somos líderes a nivel mundial <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/grin.png" alt=":-D" title=":-D" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Solomon</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>7398537</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1108803</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>5</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Gilgamesh</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>1</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>20</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/china-ya-cuarto-pais-mas-invierte-investigacion-cientifica</meneame:url>
		<title>#5 China es ya el cuarto país que más invierte en investigación científica</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/china-ya-cuarto-pais-mas-invierte-investigacion-cientifica/c05#c-5</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Dec 2010 13:56:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Gilgamesh</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/china-ya-cuarto-pais-mas-invierte-investigacion-cientifica/c05#c-5</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:1108803-4" href="https://www.meneame.net/story/china-ya-cuarto-pais-mas-invierte-investigacion-cientifica/c04#c-4" rel="nofollow">#4</a> <i>These scholars can receive compensation equal to their salaries abroad, and significant amounts of research funding that often exceed what they may receive abroad. </i><br />
<br />
Con eso no hay quien compita. Qué envidia.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Gilgamesh</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>7398512</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1108803</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>4</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--219763--</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>3</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>38</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/china-ya-cuarto-pais-mas-invierte-investigacion-cientifica</meneame:url>
		<title>#4 China es ya el cuarto país que más invierte en investigación científica</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/china-ya-cuarto-pais-mas-invierte-investigacion-cientifica/c04#c-4</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Dec 2010 13:52:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--219763--</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Unas opiniones de gente que conoce el tema:<br />
 <br />
 Gordon G. Chang, author and columnist <br />
 <br />
Cong Cao, author of “China’s Scientific Elite” <br />
<br />
John Kao, founder of Institute for Large Scale Innovation<br />
 <br />
Vivek Wadhwa, entrepreneur and columnist<br />
 <br />
Jonathan Moreno, professor of history and sociology of science<br />
•   <br />
• <b>Gang Xiao, professor of physics and engineering </b><br />
<b><br />
Will China Achieve Science Supremacy?</b><br />
<a href="http://roomfordebate.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/01/18/will-china-achieve-science-supremacy/" title="roomfordebate.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/01/18/will-china-achieve-science-supremacy/" rel="nofollow">roomfordebate.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/01/18/will-china-achieve-science-</a><br />
<b><br />
Gan Xiao </b>lo explica muy bien las razones de lo que está ocurriendo:<br />
<br />
“The government has the determination, plans and resources to recruit top talent. During the current economic downturn, a new initiative called “A Thousand-Person Plan” was formulated and implemented, to recruit thousands of Chinese scholars abroad in science, engineering and enterprises. These scholars can receive compensation equal to their salaries abroad, and significant amounts of research funding that often exceed what they may receive abroad.<br />
China has the ability to achieve its goals because it has often done so once it determines that these objectives are imperative to its future. The government is very adaptable to new ideas and practices that it deems necessary. And when necessary, China is efficient in allocating resources and implementing effective policies.<br />
In reality, obstacles abound. Scholars fresh from abroad can experience cultural shock in dealing with the established hierarchy in the research community, which is often based on seniority and closely knit networks. Subjective factors often trump objective standards in internal and local evaluation processes, resource allocation and grant application.”</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--219763--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>7398429</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1108803</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>3</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--214483--</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>6</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/china-ya-cuarto-pais-mas-invierte-investigacion-cientifica</meneame:url>
		<title>#3 China es ya el cuarto país que más invierte en investigación científica</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/china-ya-cuarto-pais-mas-invierte-investigacion-cientifica/c03#c-3</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Dec 2010 13:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--214483--</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/china-ya-cuarto-pais-mas-invierte-investigacion-cientifica/c03#c-3</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>[Usuario deshabilitado]</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--214483--</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>7398285</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1108803</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>2</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>malvado</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>2</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>35</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/china-ya-cuarto-pais-mas-invierte-investigacion-cientifica</meneame:url>
		<title>#2 China es ya el cuarto país que más invierte en investigación científica</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/china-ya-cuarto-pais-mas-invierte-investigacion-cientifica/c02#c-2</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Dec 2010 13:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>malvado</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/story/china-ya-cuarto-pais-mas-invierte-investigacion-cientifica/c02#c-2</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>zas en toda la boca</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>malvado</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>7398252</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>1108803</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>1</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--50933--</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>3</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>44</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/story/china-ya-cuarto-pais-mas-invierte-investigacion-cientifica</meneame:url>
		<title>#1 China es ya el cuarto país que más invierte en investigación científica</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/story/china-ya-cuarto-pais-mas-invierte-investigacion-cientifica/c01#c-1</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Dec 2010 13:12:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--50933--</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Y probablemente se alegrará de los réditos obtenidos por esta inversión más pronto que tarde...</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--50933--</strong></p>]]></description>
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