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#122   #99 Guau, 10 nóbeles creyentes, de los cientos de nóbeles que hay. Además, ni siquiera son esos 10. Por ejemplo, es mentira que Einstein fuera creyente. Su "dios" era el deus ex machina de Spinoza, es decir, una forma de referirse a la naturaleza, no un dios, y mucho menos el dios cristiano. Es lo mismo que hacen Stephen Hawking y muchos otros físicos hoy en día, sólo una forma de hablar. De hecho, Einstein fue muy criticado por diversos obispos y religiosos de EE.UU. por su ateismo, en concreto por frases como ésta:

It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.

Algunas de las respuestas que provocó en aquella época:

It is sad to see a man, who comes from the race of the Old Testament and its teaching, deny the great tradition of that race.

del obispo católico de la ciudad de Kansas.

There is no other God but a personal God... Einstein does not know what he is talking about. He is all wrong. Some men think that because they have achieved a high degree of learning in some field, they are qualified to express opinions in all.

de otro clérigo católico de EE.UU.

We deeply regret that you made your statement... in which you ridicule the idea of a personal God. In the past ten years nothing has been so calculated to make people think that Hitler had some reason to expel the Jews from Germany as your statement. Conceding your right to free speech, I still say that your statement constitutes you as one of the greatest sources of discord in America.

de un abogado católico estadounidense.

We respect your learning, Dr Einstein; but there is one thing you do not seem to have learned: that God is a spirit and cannot be found through the telescope or microscope, no more than human thought or emotion can be found by analyzing the brain. As everyone knows, religion is based on Faith, not knowledge. Every thinking person, perhaps, is assailed at times with religious doubt. My own faith has
wavered many a time. But I never told anyone of my spiritual aberrations for two reasons: (1) I feared that I might, by mere suggestion, disturb and damage the life
and hopes of some fellow being; (2) because I agree with the writer who said, 'There is a mean streak in anyone who will destroy another's faith.'... I hope, Dr Einstein, that you were misquoted and that you will yet say something more pleasing to the vast number of the American people who delight to do you honor.

del presidente de una sociedad histórica de Nueva Jersey.

Professor Einstein, I believe that every Christian in America will answer you, 'We will not give up our belief in our God and his son Jesus Christ, but we invite you, if you do not believe in the God of the people of this nation, to go back where you came from.' I have done everything in my power to be a blessing to Israel, and then you come along and with one statement from your blasphemous tongue, do more to hurt the cause of your people than all the efforts of the Christians who love Israel can do to stamp out anti-Semitism in our land. Professor Einstein, every Christian in America will immediately reply to you, 'Take your crazy, fallacious theory of evolution and go back to Germany where you came from, or stop trying to break down the faith of a people who gave you a welcome when you were forced to flee your native land.'

del fundador de la Calvary Tabernacle Association de Oklahoma.

Sobre lo de llamar idiotas a los creyentes, ya que te gustan las citas, te pongo algunas sobre Watson y Crick, descubridores de la doble hélice del ADN:

De una entrevista de Richard Dawkins a Watson:

I asked Watson whether he knew many religious scientists today. He replied: 'Virtually none. Occasionally I meet them, and I'm a bit embarrassed [laughs] because, you know, I can't believe anyone accepts truth by revelation.'

Sobre Crick:

Francis Crick, Watson's co-founder of the whole molecular genetics revolution, resigned his fellowship at Churchill College, Cambridge, because of the college's decision to build a chapel (at the behest of a benefactor).

Más de la entrevista con Watson:

In my interview with Watson at Clare, I conscientiously put it to him that, unlike him and Crick, some people see no conflict between science and religion, because they claim science is about how things work and religion is about what it is all for. Watson retorted: 'Well I don't think we're for anything. We're just products of evolution. You can say, "Gee, your life must be pretty bleak if you don't think there's a purpose." But I'm anticipating having a good lunch.'

Y ahora los datos sobre científicos religiosos:

De un estudio sistemático sobre nóbeles y religión escrito por Beit-Hallahmi y Argyle en 1997: [we] found that among Nobel Prize laureates in the sciences, as well as those in literature, there was a remarkable degree of irreligiosity, as compared to the populations they came from.

Un estudio publicado en la revista Nature (E. J. Larson and L. Witham, Leading scientists still reject God, Nature 394, 1998, p. 313.)
mostró que, de los científicos lo bastante eminentes para ser elegidos por sus colegas como miembros de la Academia Nacional de Ciencias de EE.UU., sólo el 7 % cree en un dios personal, en contraste con el resto de los ciudadanos de EE.UU., de los cuales el 90 % cree en algún tipo de ser sobrenatural. Los científicos menos eminentes (de fuera de la Academia) tienen un valor intermedio, el 40 % son creyentes.

Algo parecido pasa en la Royal Society, el equivalente de la Academia Nacional de Ciencias en el Reino Unido y otros países de la Commonwealth, con un 5,6 % de científicos creyentes (R. Elisabeth Cornwell y Michael Stirrat, 2006). De hecho, este estudio también muestra que los biólogos son más ateos que los demás científicos.
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#147   #122

muy bien, entonces qué?? ser creyente significa automáticamente ser idiota o tener menos capacidad intelectual, es esa la cuestión??

los de los nobeles era una forma corta de contestarte.
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#149   #147 si. Ser creyente es tirar la toalla ante el enorme reto de enfrentarse a la realidad con el método científico.

Es de vagos, de cobardes y de inutiles. Tristemente, no solo le pasa a los creyentes.
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#156   #147 Los niños que creen en papa noel ¿son idiotas?
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